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By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
June 1, 2004 | Post #1 | Topic #1

First message to this new list. I'll start by introducing myself - please do the same. I am Peter Van Dijck (http://poorbuthappy.com/ease), a Belgian information architect. I got interested in videoblogging after talking to Jay Dedman about this (we're both in New York City). I've posted a few video entries on my blog, but it's a lot of work, and the bandwidth usage is a bit scary. Anyways, welcome, please introduce yourselves, and lets talk video on the web! Cheers, Peter [View]



Welcome part II

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 1, 2004 | Post #2 | Topic #2

My name is Jay Dedman. Yes, Peter is way too modest. We have had long talks about videoblogging and wanted to bring other people into the conversation. The ability to put video on blogs seems amazing to us, but there seem to be some obstacles. 1. Technically, the process takes too long.(capture, import, optimize, write some HTML, post). 2. existing servers don't allow much bandwidth and storage space. You'll either get screwed becasue too mnay people watch your posts, or you have to earse your archive video because youre out of space. 3. what is the language of videoblogging? is it little movies? or moments from your life? We believe that if we get interested people together, we'll answer all these questions. So this is the beginning. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]




By contactmica | "contactmica" <contactmica@...> | contactmica
June 1, 2004 | Post #3 | Topic #3

Notes on Video Blogging By nature a blog is <sum> open source <sum> colla= borative <sum> dialog <sum> accumulative <sum> contemporary The `author a= s diarist' seems to be the proto-language of the blog. Like the painterly = photo, or the film as `photoplay', or the TV as tiny proscenium theatre, b= logging takes its first steps in the shoes of a preceding technology. And= it is a very appropriate language to start with as blogging shares many c= ommon traits with letter writing / diary keeping =96 it is periodic, its i= s a dialog and unlike say, a phone conversation, it is author-centric(very= much 1st person in its content) and it is a cumulative form of story te= lling. Being a diarist in that way doesn't appeal to me, personally. I'm = more interested in the element of accumulation - a buildup of content to = give relevance to the form =96 that meaning establishes itself over time. = Adding video to this form will allow the medium to truly come into its ow= n and begin establishing its unique language. So, what can a video blog do= or rather, what can I do with a video blog that I cannot do with other me= diums? It attracts me because of this unique combination of traits in a vi= sual medium. It is irrelevant to me if its content is edited or `real' or = `art'. What is... [View]



Hello from Denmark

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
June 1, 2004 | Post #4 | Topic #4

Hi everyone! I'm Andreas (Haugstrup Pedersen) and I'm a 22 year-old student living in Aalborg, Denmark. Online I hang out at <http://www.solitude.dk/&gt; Currently I'm finishing my BA in Communication and in September I'll start on my Master's. My biggest interest - internet-wise - is hypertext, but after looking at video blogs for a month I've gotten interested. I have lots of thoughts to share - most of which will most likely be of a theoretical nature since that is the way I like to talk about things. I'm also insanely busy this week with my last paper this semester. I should return from the world of the stress-filled Monday. My own practical experience with recording video is limited, but not non-existant. I have recorded a short movie, recorded meetings and speeches and this semester I was part of a group who reccorded a music video for a local band. My theoretical background in regard to hypermedia and audio-visual communication is a bit more impressive (thankfully). That's also why I find the so-called "language of video-blogging" much more interesting than the practical problems. :o) [View]



Christophe from Belgium

By christophe_bouten | "christophe_bouten" <chrisbouten@...> | christophe_bouten
June 2, 2004 | Post #5 | Topic #5

Hallo everyone, My name is Christophe Bouten, and I live in Antwerp, Belgium. I have recently launched what people would normally define as a personal website, http://www.voetbalenzo.be (sorry, it is in Dutch!). But actually it's also a weblog, a videoblog, a small community site, and an intranet. Which shows that integration is perfectly possible, and that web content management is a broad term that can mean anything you want. You just have to find the right tools for the right job...and depending on the message you want to deliver, choose for words, pictures or even video shots. I know that it's not the purpose of this group to cover your own site, but I thought it could be interesting to have a short introduction on my own practical case. About videoblogging now. On one section of the site I explain my experiences in buying and renovating a house. I've indeed recently bought a house in Lier, and now people can read about it and see small video entries (http://www.voetbalenzo.be/index.php?id=605&backPID=456&tt_news=88) of what we are doing in the house. My major goal is to share my experiences about that whole process with other people. And video offers often much more possibilities to explain something than words. And of course it is potentially much more universal, much more multilingual. On my site for instance people without knowledge of Dutch won't be able to read my texts, but nevertheless they will understand where we... [View]



Mmm… Belgian Beer!

By Steve Garfield | "Steve Garfield" <steve@...> | sgarfield
June 6, 2004 | Post #6 | Topic #6

Hi, My name is Steve Garfield and I'm a Video Producer and Editor from Boston. As a New Year's resolution, I started my video blog on January 1, 2004, and in that first post, I called 2004 The Year of the Video Blog. http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ On the blog I'm experimenting with different types of video: Time Lapse and Video from my Canon S400 Digital Still Camera, and Digital Video from my Canon GL2 miniDV camera. I explain the process I go through for those that haven't done it yet. I also use the blog to post entries of things I'm learning to do with editing, like adding music with Apple's LiveType, while editing in Final Cut Pro. An issue we all face is bandwidth usage and image quailty. You'd like to post nice looking video, but the download it too long for a lot of users still on dial up. I'm very interested in producing reality news by citizen journalists and plan on doing some reporting from the Democratic Convention next month. Looking forward to the discussion, --Steve As Seen In TIME Magazine: http://makeashorterlink.com/?D50162E78 [View]



little intro

By studiomuscle | "studiomuscle" <hendrik@...> | studiomuscle
June 9, 2004 | Post #7 | Topic #7

Hi all, strange coincidence but i am also Belgian, live in ghent but I work in antwerp, at a firm called alcatel. Spare time is filled in with making movies for my friends and myself and fooling around with film in general. In "professional" life i work at research department where - right now - i am dong several projects related to communities, social networks and TV applications Cheers hendrik [View]



Video encoding tools

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
June 11, 2004 | Post #8 | Topic #8

I'm looking into encoding tools, and started a wiki page here: http://www.me-tv.org/wakka.php?wakka=VideoEncodingTools What do you use? [View]



Hey

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
June 12, 2004 | Post #9 | Topic #9

I'm actually also from Belgium, even though I'm living in NYC right now... Beliuj videoblogs! [View]




By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 14, 2004 | Post #10 | Topic #10

Okay. Looks like we got a good group of people here to discuss videoblogging. Some of you I know personally. Some I know through your sites. Let me introduce myself. During the day, I work at a community TV station in Manhattan where anyone can come in and make a TV show. We have 4 TV channels that is open to the public. People can either use theor own equipment or get the free use use of our equipment. No censorship exists. Currently, we program 1200 shows per week ranging from political conversations to artistic explorartions to complete confusion. When videoblogging came out, I got excited. Video holds a lot of information and is a great way to show people something they dont get anywhere else. But can it work on the web? Let's start with a simple question. For those of you actively videoblogging, what problems are you having? Technically and creatively. We're kind of making this up as we go (which is exciting), but let's get specific. And secondly, What are you trying to do with video in your blogs? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] (unknown)

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 14, 2004 | Post #11 | Topic #10

On 15/06/2004, at 12:47 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > For those of you actively videoblogging, what problems are you having? > Technically and creatively. have a software application that lets me vog easily. eg: shoot and capture. set in and out points. nominate some hotspots and basic mouse events. publish directly to my blog. ecto have just provided QT support, so this is very useful, but you still need to produce all of your content somewhere else. > We're kind of making this up as we go (which is exciting), but let's > get > specific. > And secondly, What are you trying to do with video in your blogs? express something about my daily life. explore what how and why networked video (and here i mean network a la internet not tv networks) is different to broadcast media. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



BloggerVision

By Yaron Samid | "Yaron Samid" <yaron@...> | yaron_samid
June 15, 2004 | Post #12 | Topic #12

Hello all, I'm an entrepreneur in NYC that has recently secured funding for my broadband media startup. Our product/network will enable anyone to broadcast DVD quality video over the Internet to an unlimited number of viewers at no cost. I'm particularly passionate about helping video bloggers and independent content producers to get their visual stories to the world by entirely bypassing the bureaucracy of traditional offline distribution channels and the technical, quality and cost limitations of streaming video online. I believe strongly that if you give the world a free, easy-to-use self-publishing tool for securely distributing (and even monetizing) video online, it would ignite the minds and imagination of thousands of creative people around the world that would otherwise never have their content seen by anyone outside of their immediate circle of friends and family. While most of the content would be relevant only to their producer and perhaps close friends (much like text-based blogs) I believe there are hidden gems out there that the masses would eagerly and loyally consume if they could easily find it, `subscribe' to it, and watch it (instantly, clearly and full screen) on their IP-enabled device of choice, whenever they want. Our business plan is counting on it and I would love your help to validate some of our thinking and product concepts. Just the fact that we were able to secure funding from a major VC with video blogging as a central premise... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #13 | Topic #12

On 15/06/2004, at 4:07 PM, Yaron Samid wrote: > I'm an entrepreneur in NYC that has recently secured funding for my > broadband media startup. Our product/network will enable anyone to > broadcast DVD quality video over the Internet to an unlimited number > of viewers at no cost. I'm particularly passionate about helping > video bloggers and independent content producers to get their visual > stories to the world by entirely bypassing the bureaucracy of > traditional offline distribution channels and the technical, quality > and cost limitations of streaming video online. hi Yaron ok, I'm regularly going to play devil's advocate here, ok? largely in the spirit of pushing ideas and making things better. so, front up question. What's the big deal about DVD quality material? Lots of things work not because they are high rez but because their content works, or the content model works. (SMS, early html, early cinema, early radio spring to mind.) I'm not sure if it is a relevant analogy, but on my desktop i want small video works, not monuments. I want monuments I'll go to the cinema. At a major end of the spectrum it isn't about the production values in this sense. In the same way I guess that blogs aren't books, and don't try to be. What empowers more is a tool that makes it easy to make, much like a pencil and sketchpad. We don't need galleries to... [View]



Re: BloggerVision

By Yaron Samid | "Yaron Samid" <yaron@...> | yaron_samid
June 15, 2004 | Post #14 | Topic #12

Great question and point Adrian, and thanks for playing devils advocate, the most important part of innovating a new idea/product is having people smarter then you shoot holes in it until its actually worth something. Quality of service, namely picture quality (resolution and screen size) is important to mainstream viewer adoption. Its been proven time and again in the media world. Cable TV killed that antenna on top of your old TV set because of picture quality, not because of the 100 channels you never watch. You'll be switching to and paying extra for HDTV soon to. That being said, I've always felt the plumbing is only worth the shit it delivers. Picture quality or not, you're 100% correct, content is THE main driver of viewership and always will be. I would think picture quality is relevant for video bloggers as well, whether they shoot a 15 second "life moment" or 5 minute short movie -- you put in the time to produce the content, isn't it a shame to have it seen in a choppy 200X100 window? Before you answer that, let me just say that it is entirely up to you. Our goal is not to enforce any production value standards on video bloggers, just to facilitate the publishing and distribution of their video files, regardless of its size. The key value to video bloggers is that its an free and easy way to publish video online. If... [View]



some thoughts

By Eli Chapman | "Eli Chapman" <opensourcefood@...> | opensourcefood
June 15, 2004 | Post #15 | Topic #15

Hi Jay. Hi Adrian. Hello everyone else. I'll be poking around and jumping into the middle of things. Based on what Peter and Jay, Adrian, and Yaron have been doing/talking about, I see three types of tools/technologies for videoblogging emerging: 1. Those that extend the functionality of the web (and existing web- based software/systems/formats/standards/formats) to make it easier (more natural) to link to, reference, and share already digitized/encoded/hosted video. 2. Those that augment (or replace) existing desktop production tools to expedite the camera to videoblog process. 3. Those that make video distribution cheaper and easier, and provide videobloggers with control over quality and perhaps even audience. In addition, there is an exploration going on into the language of videoblogging, of which Adrian has written and explored for quite some time. Adrian's use of vogs for personal expression demonstrates a significant path for the medium. We can look at the shape of blogs to see where this path can lead (i.e., group blogs, topic blogs, link blogs (reblogs), cross blog conversations, blog search, blog aggregators, etc...) Also, we can look at the evolution of film as an expressive medium to see potential directions (i.e., cinema verite, mockumentary, genre films, pseudo-reality, etc...). Perhaps we might say that the language of videoblogs is anything we want, with the provision that the videoblog must communicate or enable communication (conversation). The problem I have with videoblogging (a problem I'm intent on solving) is that it... [View]



Tonight

By contactmica | "contactmica" <contactmica@...> | contactmica
June 15, 2004 | Post #16 | Topic #16

Hi all- my first post was a intro to my recent thoughts on the blog, its language, and use. My background is in art, I work with photography and video. Currently working for a docu filmmaker. Im obsessed with the ideologies and philosophy of media and communication. I learned to program Basic when I was eight, but I have no contemporary programming skills. My first amazing experience with the web was in 1999. My friend and I drove across US and made daily image/text posts on a website. We didn't call it a blog, we called it Janepage. I'm thrilled to dig into this great discussion However, im swamped today. Still, i wanted to extend an invite to yous in NYC I'll be screening the first episode of my mnn(nyc cable access/jay's work) tonight at Remote Lounge - on Bowery btw 2-3rd sts,7-9pm [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #17 | Topic #12

When I videoblog, my workflow is fairly similar to Steve Garfield's. http://www.stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ When i was first starting, I realy liked how he was transparent about his process. Peter and I discovered that digital cameras take those short MPEG's which are great for the web. Very easy to download. The whole problem comes with optimizing and then uploading and posting. I got the whole process down to about 10 minutes. Still too long. About two months ago, Peter wrote up the specs for our imaginary videoblogging tool that Adrian spoke of. http://www.me-tv.org/wakka.php?wakka=DeskTopTool&v=15x7 With just a couple of buttons you could edit, optimize and upload to your blog. I believe that Adrian is right. Through videoblogging, I want to express my daily life. Just little moments. It's like the difference between writing poetry and shooting a feature movie. "we need the sketchpad". Is anyone working on a blogging tool that you know of? Yaron, what exactly are you creating? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #18 | Topic #12

The other problem is memory and bandwidth. If I post a 10 second video(200k) every day, I will run out of server space pretty quickly. I dont want to erase my archives. Imagine if I had DVD quality video....how big would that file be? And if I have 500 people watch my video every day(not inconceivable), I will run out of bandwidth within a week. Peter and I are talking about renting our own server and sharing the costs with other videobloggers. would anyone be interested? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



hello

By zen2dra | "zen2dra" <zen2dra@...> | zen2dra
June 15, 2004 | Post #19 | Topic #19

Hello 2 All! I just joined the list, so here are some links: * http://www.open4all.info A selection of my texts, most of which deal with way to use the Internet and enable broad participation in media production. * http://www.unmediated.org Unmediated is a group blog that tracks the tools, processes, and ideas being used to decentralize media production and distribution. * dv.open4all.info DV Guide is a BitTorrent/RSS video blog started recently with the idea to serve as a clearing house for Internet based video material and cable/TV production. Best Drazen Pantic [View]



RE: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Yaron Samid | "Yaron Samid" <yaron@...> | yaron_samid
June 15, 2004 | Post #20 | Topic #12

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C452D8.2F029B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The solution for memory, space, bandwidth and cost limitations associated w= ith today's central streaming server architecture is to completely decentra= lize the distribution of the videos. Viewer PC bandwidth and storage is in = abundance these days and significantly underutilized. That's we're technolo= gies such as P2P and RSS along with self-publishing and content management = innovations come into play. Video blogging is archived (not real-time) by n= ature, which makes it ideal for P2P-based distribution. I know you've been = discussing BitTorrent powered RSS enclosures for video subscription and del= ivery - that's a great place to being experimenting. Now imagine a push-but= ton desktop publishing tool and global network leveraging the efficiencies = of P2P with the convenience of a viewer experience embedded directly in you= r blog. Subscribed viewers are notified of your new post, launch your site,= and watch the video (which has already been delivered in the background to= their local disk) directly in your blog post. No server space, memory, or = bandwidth costs whatsoever. Does that model work? -y -----Origi= nal Message----- From: Jay Dedman [mailto:jay@...] Sent: Tuesday, June= 15, 2004 8:21 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblog= ging] BloggerVision The other problem is memory and bandwidth. If I pos= t a 10 second video(200k) every day, I will run out of server space pretty= quickly. I dont want to erase my archives. Imagine if I... [View]