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Hello Im new & RSS feed enclosures stuff

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 8, 2004 | Post #2345 | Topic #2345

Greetings, Ive got too much to say, but years of talking too much in text on the net have started to make me go wibble, so personally Im wanting a war on text. This is one reason Im interested in videoblogging :) Another reason is that I have spent the last 3 or 4 years learning about the (non-MTV) sort of VJing, the mixing video/effects/images/graphics/animations together in clubs in time to the music sort. But the internet interests me more than clubland these days, so I am now interested in using these tools to create short internet video stuff. Sort of a third way, using tools designed to manipulate video in realtime to do editing and post- production in a very quick and fun-to-do rather than loborious way. I havent started yet. OK so about 10 day ago I found the videoblogging community, and saw some people excited about RSS feeds with enclosures. I was alerted to this phenomenon cos the BBC showed some TV program about podcasting, video wasnt really mentioned but I couldnt see why it wouldnt work with very little changes needed to the technoogy used (ie virtually none). I found this yahoo group on Monday, just after I created a first badly done but just about working version of a webpage-based RSS video enclosure viewer. I was delighted to see that someone else got one running the day before, its a small world :) Anyway its... [View]



Re: me-tv.com

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 8, 2004 | Post #2347 | Topic #2338

Hello, Im new. My experimental rss viewer page sucks too much compared to= my- tv for me to share the url right now, but I will gladly share the kno= wledge I picked up about how to get magpierss to read enclosure tags prope= rly. My viewer can read the human-dog feed (nice content!) so I guess I d= id it right or nearly right so far. This thread contains the small modifia= tion needed to the magpierss code: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/for= um.php? thread_id=3D6019632&forum_id=3D12796 And here is a snippet of my w= ell unsophisticated code to pull out the enclosure url: $enclosureurl =3D= $item['enclosure']['0']['url']; the above is to enclosures as $title =3D = $item['title']; is to the normal way to use magpierss stuff. The enclosu= re is an array, and it looks like it would support multiple enclosures wit= hin one item, hence the need for the ['0'] part, though I havent tested th= at theory yet, just saw that part of the array setup was there and needed.= Hope thats of use to someone. Cheers Steve (Elbows) --- In videobloggi= ng@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel <humandog@c...> wrote: > Peter > >= http://www.human-dog.com/hdmainfeed.xml > > still doesn't work with me-tv.org > = > It has enclosures. > > Chris > > > > On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:31 AM, pe= tertheman wrote: > > > > > Some improvements today: > > > > 1. I moved t= o me-tv.com > > 2.... [View]



Re: me-tv.com

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 8, 2004 | Post #2353 | Topic #2338

Well I dont really want to share the url because this app is not supposed= to be used by anyone,the user interface doesnt exist and it ouputs a load= of stuff that was just me testing to see if it was picking up the enclosu= res right. Also the quicktime embedded code isnt done properly yet, it wa= s a crude early attempt, so the size of the video and other attributes mig= ht be wrong/non-functional. What this crude test is supposed to do is play= the first 9 or 10 videos/,p3s that it encounters in the RSS stream that y= ou feed it. It doesnt read the length or the media type from the enclosur= es, and for reasons I wont go into it tells the browser that the first cli= p it encounters is a mov, regardless of whether it really is or not. Anyw= ay the point was to see what it was like to watch a feed in a tv style, wi= th clips back to back, no clicking required. So anyway here is the url bu= t dont expect to see anything other than a very simple test, stick your fe= ed address in and you'll see the full extent of the lack of features of my= page lol. Like I said earlier, its only supposed to work with feeds with = enclosures. http://www.reali.tv/tv.php Cheers Steve (Elbows) --- In vid= eoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel <humandog@c...> wrote:... [View]



Re: why I care about videoblogging

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 9, 2004 | Post #2362 | Topic #2359

I like this sort of thinking. I imagine that the sort of all-in-one video= blogging type services will help. Whilst there are plenty of video enthu= siasts who want to edit and add other productive steps to their online wor= k, I guess there are many people who would like the tools to be a lot easi= er and more integrated. I guess this will/is happening first with the fla= sh based sites. They can offer a solution to the uploading/hosting steps = that are a pain to many people. No messing around with encoding settings,= just plug in camera, press a couple of buttons on the website and it does= uploading & all the rest of it. Whilst mostly designed for realtime tal= king from camera straight to site, theres no reason you couldnt pre-record= material and feed that to the plugin by pressing play on dv camera. The = downside of this technology is that the final results wont be quite as goo= d in technical terms, and your video is then probably trapped in a not-tha= t-common format on some service- providers server where you have no control= and pay a subscription. So scores higher on making the content uploading= process easy for the masses, but scores badly on making this footage acce= ssible to the widest audience. Theres also probably quite a large crossov= er between these sorts of services and the dating/meeting people/friends = networks... [View]



Re: i-Vid-Pod

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 9, 2004 | Post #2363 | Topic #2350

I sure hope that doesnt become the standard for portable playback devices. If I am understanding it correctly, it is mpeg4 with a few features adjustments and maximum resolution/bitrate suggestions. So its really mpeg4 cut-down to suit small screen sizes of phones, and lower speed of transfer over mobile networks. For example typical resolutions listed in quicktime for this codecs are 176x144. This resolution can be overwritten, but it gives an idea of what this format was aimed at. It has a place for sure, but the video-ipod type device market will be looking at wider range of format playback options to suit the target consumer. So I would expect/hope that for example with any apple video ipod it will support most of the stuff that quicktime already supports. I guess its a fairly safe bet that mpeg4-based codecs will be the main focus, and hopefully the desire to play back most formats that people are downloading from the web will keep the player specs nice and wide. If I was shopping for the video ipod of the future I would want mp4 and all its friends to be supported, 3ivx, divx, maybe even the evil of M$ WMV for compatibilities sake. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Botticelli" <eric9897@y...> wrote: > > Here's the standard any future i-vid-pod type device might use: > > http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=3G2 > > 3GPP and 3GPP2 are the new worldwide standards for the creation, > delivery and... [View]



My first nearly-videoblog hello video

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 9, 2004 | Post #2372 | Topic #2372

Well I felt that I should really be saying hello via video, but Im not quite ready yet, and now Ive come down with a cold. So anyway I went for it but I only spent half an hour setting it up, and there is no audio and no blog, no RSS feed and no time spent trying best codec etc. http://www.reali.tv/elbowtest.mov There was no editing or anything done, the effects were applied live as I filmed myself. The first side effect of this is that my eyes drift towards the screen showing final output instead of looking at the camera. Cheers Steve [View]



Re: My first nearly-videoblog hello video

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 9, 2004 | Post #2378 | Topic #2372

The server appears to have crashed after I uploaded the file. Please dont try it for a while, Im investigating. Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Botticelli" <eric9897@y...> wrote: > > > > http://www.reali.tv/elbowtest.mov > > I couldn't access that file nor http://www.reali.tv > > "timed out" [View]



Re: Google TV?

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 10, 2004 | Post #2399 | Topic #2349

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@s...> wrote: > I prefer having the metadata embedded directly in the media file because > you then have everything in one place instead of having to get one file > for content and another for the metadata. The problem I have with QT is > that I haven't found a way to automatically extract metadata. I can view > it manually just fine in QT, but I want to write a script that can extract > and display this information in a website. > > - Andreas Maybe http://www.getid3.org/ could hold the answer? Looking at the source code for the file module.audio-video.quicktime.php suggests it may well be able to read the metadata. I havent tried it yet, might need some modification to do what you want, might be enough already. Apple have also mentioned some improvements to quicktime metadata handling with version 6.6 which is supposed to be part of Tiger, but I dont know the details yet. [View]



Re: if you take the video out of the blog…is it the same thing?

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 12, 2004 | Post #2426 | Topic #2424

Pretty similar thoughts from me too. Also if I happen to see a video I like then its likely I will be tempted to track down the wesbsite for it to mean more. Certainly people often like to retain some control over their creative work, if only control over context and additional info that the viewer gets to see with the clip. Its well understandable, but its not that compatible with the internet. If we werent talking about the net, then things would be simpler. If you didnt want your videos to be viewed out of context, then dont have an RSS feed with enclosures, simple. But the very freedom of the internet that attarctss people to it also makes such simplistic notions of control irelevant and wrong. AS we have already seen, even if videobloggers had no RSS feeds with enclosures, certain apps will just rip the media url's out of the text. And if you have no RSS feed at all, chances are these agressive video aggregator sites will still find your media. No matter how much info you enclose in a feed, a particular app can choose to ignore it and never deliver that info to the viewer. Faced with the unlikeliness of controlling this technology, and the impossibility of picking and choosing which elements of freedom to embrace on the net and which elements to fear, I choose to embrace it all and get confortable with... [View]



Re: file enclosure

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 12, 2004 | Post #2434 | Topic #2427

Is this any use, or do you already know the php function but are having trouble making it work? http://uk.php.net/manual/en/function.filesize.php --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Baron" <videoblogyahoo@r...> wrote: > > Yea, the MT Plugin is limited. All I need is <i>one line</i> of code > to insert in my markup page. It grabs the file, I just need it to grab > the file size too. It seems straightforward, i don't know, my life is > being destroyed by PHP. Wow, I just had a deja vu back to 6th grade - > same thing, just with Fortran. What will be next? C#? No way man, > that's where I draw the line. . . . > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@g...> > wrote: > > Use the MT-Enclosures plugin since Rocketboom is on MovableType: > > <url: http://brandon.fuller.name/archives/hacks/mtenclosures/&gt; > > > > This handles it by doing an HTTP HEAD request on the file to get both > > the size and mime type. > > > > This may not work so well for Rocketboom though because you have > > several media files in each post for each file type (WMV, MOV, etc.). > > So, maybe consider using Andrew Grumet's dir2rss.pl for specific file > > types <url: http://grumet.net/weblog/archives/2004/09/12/001087.html&gt; > > . This will output an enclosure bearing RSS feed for the files in a > > given directory. You may need to... [View]



Re: if you take the video out of the blog…is it the same thing?

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 12, 2004 | Post #2436 | Topic #2424

Hello, Well certainly I am not arguing against the creation of additional deatures to apps specific to the videoblogging communities use of RSS etc. What I am saying is that where we are talking about syndicating our work through RSS, everybody should be aware that we have to assume the bare minimum. ie that many viewers may be watching using tools that only use the already in place RSS enclosure standard, tools that wont take account of any additions this community decides to use unless their use becomes so widespread that they become a standard themselves. So for example you might design an elaborate system to deal with multi-branched offshoot derivatives or continuations of specific video works you create. You could work with me-tv to make your bespoke features work with that site. But the moment you step outside the already accepted RSS conventions to implement this, we are back to the same problem, that lots of viewing tools wont support it. Its still worth me-tv doing it, Im not arguing against the development of these tools beyond the RSS standards, only that we should understand the implications for non me-tv etc viewers. I see plenty of ways forward, all are appropriate depending on the circumstances. Firstly we need to agree which of these more advanced features are going to be used by enough different people in videoblogging to make it worth trying to standardise. Then get as many of... [View]



Re: My first nearly-videoblog hello video

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 12, 2004 | Post #2439 | Topic #2372

Hello, OK let me try again :) Got a different server, hopefully this one wont fall over so much lol... http://www.eyedebate.com/elbowtest.mov Like I said its just an early test, a cold and server problems have slowed my plans by a few days, so now aiming to start videoblogging properly sometime in the coming week. Cheers Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@d...> wrote: > > Well I felt that I should really be saying hello via video, but Im > not quite ready yet, and now Ive come down with a cold. > > So anyway I went for it but I only spent half an hour setting it up, > and there is no audio and no blog, no RSS feed and no time spent > trying best codec etc. > > http://www.reali.tv/elbowtest.mov > > There was no editing or anything done, the effects were applied live > as I filmed myself. The first side effect of this is that my eyes > drift towards the screen showing final output instead of looking at > the camera. > > Cheers > > Steve [View]



Re: if you take the video out of the blog…PS

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 12, 2004 | Post #2444 | Topic #2424

Im still very new here so its really cheeky that I should so far have spent so much time saying what I think should be done, but I keep having the thoughts so I'll keep posting em unless its getting on people nerves. I actually think that there seems to have been a lot of progress with starting to harness several technologies recently, things are coming together, me-tv is especially great considering how new it is. But I am starting to wonder to myself whether the technology stuff isnt far exceeding development in terms of content and quantity of videoblogs. Its hard for me to envisage a real need for sharing playlists with other people yet. If there were 50x as many people videoblogging then it would certainly help to understand the exact nature of tools needed to "wade through the masses of content". I know that earlier I was talking about how people shouldnt feel limited to one RSS feed of their work, I suppose thats not disimmilar at all to sharing playlists. but thats all based on assuming that enough collaborative or whatever projects are actually happening to actually drive these developments in the right direction. Or to put it another way, Im not sure how much we can just talk our way through these areas. Most of these developments are about how automatic systems should work. Its usually possible to test the theory manualy first to get... [View]



Re: if you take the video out of the blog…is it the same thing?

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 13, 2004 | Post #2452 | Topic #2424

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@g...> wrote: > yeah, if youre just doing a website...its difficult. > i think RSS is what makes blogs so cool. > and as far as i know...flash is a website tool and cant be aggregated. > Eric Rice?...is this true? Depends how you use it. Theres no technical reason why flash files couldnt be downloaded, and links to them shared through RSS enclosures etc, in exactly the same way as is happening now with mp3s, mov, wmvs etc. Macromedia even added a new file format specifically for flash video, but they are a bit late in the game, most people havent noticed as things are dominated by m$ and apple doing battle with their respecitve media formats. People who have noticed tend to be people who were already using flash, people using service-providing websites that are built using flash communications server and such want to store videos in flash format, and people who were exasperated by the multi-format wars and saw flash video as an attractive way to embed video in a site and be reasonably sure it will play with no hassle on machines that can already handle flash. The drawback is likely to be with the RSS-enclosure playing apps, I would hope there are no severse technical headache reasons why flash support couldnt be included at some stage, but its almost certain that mov,wmv are likely to receive priority treatment with any... [View]



Re: fuck yeah

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 14, 2004 | Post #2498 | Topic #2476

Greetings, Argh I was just thinking of asking people if there had been any bandwidth nightmares yet, waaa why does it have to be one of my favorite videoblogs thats affected? I repeat, waaaa! OK I have no personal experience with doteasy but the rule of thumb certainly used to be that unless you are spending hundreds or thousands of dollars a month on server, any claims of "unlimited bandwidth" are to be treated with extreme caution and skepticism. What this usually means in reality is that they will still write to you if your site is very popular. Mostly these low prices mean that they are running lots of different peoples webspace on a single server, and under those conditions they cant allow any one site to get popular enough to severely impare the performance of the other sites on the same server. Oh the other thing is that doteasys terms & conditions say you cant use foul language!!!! Conclusion: this host isnt really suitable for much videoblogging. To go into more detail I would need to know more about your current web stats, eg they say you are projected to go over 20GB in the month, but how many gigs actually used so far? Others have already started talking about alternative options, heres my brief summary with some pros & cons: Stay where you are. If they have emailed you then its almost certain they will do what... [View]



Re: "Roamio"

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 14, 2004 | Post #2513 | Topic #2508

I love to see new devices appear, but this one makes me angry. The lockergnome article about it gives the reason... "The Roamio is powered by a 3 Volt battery and has 64MB of memory. Processing labs can easily access stills & video data contained in an internal soldered circuit board, via a hidden connection on the skin of the Roamio." Now that smells to me of a really desperate attempt to cling to outmoded models of profitmaking from the past. Cling to the good old days where most people had to get their films developed by a 3rd party, ignore the entire home computer revolution that allows a percentage of people to edit/print/burn cds etc themselves, ignore the revolution in having removable memory instead of built in stuff. Anyway they are jsut asking for some techie to find the "hidden connection" and then kill half their business model by finding a way for people to get the data themselves. Oh well, that price is odd too. Id guess its a fair %age above the normal range you see for disposable items, its got to be cheap enough that you dont care if it gets lost or eaten by snakes. And arghghgle at "excellent quality video footage". Wow, how specific! Sorry for this outburst but whoa, thats so nuts in so many ways. And as every month passes this product will only suck more and more in comparison with the... [View]



Forum and stuff

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 14, 2004 | Post #2514 | Topic #2514

As Ive only been here about a week Ive been trying to read most of the past messages so that I dont repeat topics too much or anything. Anyway I noticed it had been talked about whether a forum for this community would be a good idea. I can see why some people prefer the current format, the advantages of email based etc, but the downsides (or imagined downsides) do get on my nerves a bit. Primarily I suppose I dont really like the way that the fact everybody in the group will get this email might make people a bit conservative about how much they talk. Like obviously Im a waffler, and I already start to get pangs of guilt that I am creating annoying noise to some people. Also there are other social factors, their importance depends what kind of community this place wants I guess. When I joined I got welcome email from Jay which was nice, but no actual replies to my hello first post to the group. Ive seen several other people join and post for the first time since, and they werent exactly bowled over by an enthusiastic welcome either. Anyway sorry if that sounds a bit negative, Im trying to achieve something positive but I often dont know how to do that other than speaking my mind. So anyway I really dont mind if this communtiy wants to be pretty issue/business focussed and... [View]



Re: forum

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 15, 2004 | Post #2547 | Topic #2539

I agree that it would certainly be best if the forum was hosted on a site thats a community thing. Without wanted to be too personal/nosey, are sites like videoblogging.info and me-tv on dedicated servers, or servers with plenty of resources etc? Because one of the advantages of yahoo is we arent worrying about bandwidth, server maintenance, backing stuff up or someone running away with the communities history etc. So I dont really know about those technical realities or how the issue of community resource "ownership" is being handled right now. Id guess its based on trust, which is cool, and there certainly arent many other options in a budgetless community that spring to mind lol. By the way I havent used yabb before so I dont know how feature rich etc it is, but I have a spare owned licence for vbulletin 3 if we wanted to use that messageboard system instead. Id happily donate it to the cause. Cheers Elbows of Steve --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" <michael@m...> wrote: > > FWIW, I like the message board setup much better. Also, I think it's > a good idea to do it in a community space like me-tv.com or > videoblogging.info rather than someone's personal site. > > -Michael > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "petertheman" <peter@p...> wrote: > > > > I have some thoughts on forums vs. mailing lists. In the end, it's > > personal preference -... [View]



Re: forum

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 15, 2004 | Post #2548 | Topic #2539

Or to put it another way... Guessing that as we seem to love RSS, that RSS output from the forum would be a feature some people will want. Does anybody know how yabb and otehr forums compare to vbulletin for RSS feed creation features? Anybody interested in the technical details of how well vbulletin can apparently do RSS, should see this page which details a replacement RSS feed generator for vbulletin which sounds like it will do the job: <URL:http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php? t=69834&page=1&pp=15> vbulletin needs the usual sort of requirements for the server, php and mysql (or similar) database. Cheers Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <steve@d...> wrote: > > I agree that it would certainly be best if the forum was hosted on a > site thats a community thing. > > Without wanted to be too personal/nosey, are sites like > videoblogging.info and me-tv on dedicated servers, or servers with > plenty of resources etc? Because one of the advantages of yahoo is > we arent worrying about bandwidth, server maintenance, backing stuff > up or someone running away with the communities history etc. > > So I dont really know about those technical realities or how the > issue of community resource "ownership" is being handled right now. > Id guess its based on trust, which is cool, and there certainly arent > many other options in a budgetless community that spring to mind lol. > > By the... [View]



Re: Forum and stuff

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
December 15, 2004 | Post #2556 | Topic #2514

Cheers for your efforts but I am confused. This is not like the forums I know and love, this seems more like a blog, my brain hurts, waaa! Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "petertheman" <peter@p...> wrote: > > > > Sweet. Can't wait. > > OK, so I started a forum on me-tv: http://me-tv.com/discuss/ > > The good thing is: Jay agreed to moderate it, so I have hopes for it's > usefulness and survival. Comments welcome! > > Peter [View]