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Re: Questions about Internet Archive

By sulleleven | "sulleleven" <jackass@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3347 | Topic #3345

Hi, This is something I have been meaning to find out more on.. along with= other backend API type info with the IA=85 as it is going to be the main h= ub for most open media. Tools will need to grab the IA media references in= various ways. However, they may not want to be `too open' where hundreds = of sites could increase their bandwidth usage. They may want to be more se= lective with who can and cannot integrate. I hope to spend some more time = researching all that. There may even be some info on their site=85 if I re= call. Though I am working with the Ourmedia team and we are partnering w= ith the IA, I have not personally delved into this area yet. Anyone else = thoughts on this? michael --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua = Kinberg <jkinberg@g...> wrote: > Thought someone here might know this... > = > 1. What does the Internet Archive's "batting average" statistic > repres= ent? I don't understand it and can't seem to find dcumentation. > Maybe I d= on't know enough about baseball.... > > 2. Does the Internet Archive have = RSS feeds with enclosures? I know > they have RSS feeds for some "latest ne= ws" items, or "new to the > archive" stuff. Haven't found any enclosure fee= ds yet.... > > -Josh [View]



touch base

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3351 | Topic #3351

Hello. I should introduce myself before I start posting =) I am not exactly a vlogger yet, but i have been posting videos inside blog posts for about 3 years. The videos have never been me talking to the camera, but I am willing to experiment and throw my mug out there backing up my musings, or unamusing more likely. So, i had joined this group under an older yahoo account over the summer, i believe. Unsubscribed (nothing personal) and now that I am delving back into this realm, i subscribed again. Glad I did because this is obviously a great group of folks here. I should be able to come to the vloggercon too. I am in this loop since I am on the Ourmedia team, helping when and however I can to get that project moving along. Beyond that, I work in nyc (ultrastar.com), but live way upstate in Poughkeepsie. Luckily, I am able to often work from home. I cannot really descirbe myself, so i'll leave that up to you once i have a vlog up and other interactions we may share. I'll toss my vlog on my personal site which is going to be re-launched at interdigitate.com. Will keep you posted. Actually, a bit of background on 'interdigitate'. It has gone through various morphings but of interest to this group would be when it was considered my experimental multimedia synch engine. Basically, it was something like... [View]



Re: Re-introducing myself

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3352 | Topic #3295

A friend of mine has used it since it is a cheap chroma key tool. I also saw some early on political/news video blogs using it as experiment. It's recommended if you want to get creative with your backdrops and the such. Though I never used it. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ed Yarrish <ed.yarrish@g...> wrote: > I have been looking at a product from Serious Magic ( > http://seriousmagic.com/ ) that is also supposed to allow the use of > blue screen. I have been playing a little with the demo version, > which does NOT include green screen capability. This product has a > different focus than After Effects and is less expensive. > > Ed Yarrish > > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:32:11 -0000, Verdi <michael@m...> wrote: > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Olsen" > > <reallystinkyguy@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > yeah, everybody go buy a few yards of blue or green polyester and > > have some fun! > > > > Fabric! Damn (slaps forehead)! I've been shooting in front of a tiny > > piece of posterboard. > > [View]



Re: video, blog

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3355 | Topic #3308

As for teminology, i personally always looked at it as 'Blogcasting'. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Baron" <videoblogyahoo@r...> wrote: > > There are so many posts recently that I have wanted to respond to but > the odds are stacking up higher against me being able to get the time > soon. I can sum up my feelings overall by saying yes!, yep, um hmm, > perhaps, no-dice charlie and well. . .yea. > > Taking into consideration all of the cool kinds of stuff we are > starting to identify, as best described so far in the breakdown of the > topics we will all be discussing on the 22nd, perhaps now would be a > good time to consider the definition of videoblogging in genral, in > order to enhance and progress our starting point of conversation. If > we can begin to identify as a group, in words, what we are doing with > videoblogging - what it is - we may be better apt to discuss the > particulars of videoblogging. We will always have different opinions, > we're all coming at this with different intentions, whats up with the > definition? > > I would argue that there will never be a definition. You dont have to > be Derrida to believe what I'm saying on this one. But compared to > trying to figure out the purpose of life, there are some narrowing > points... [View]



Re: Vlog It! – commercial vlogging software

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3357 | Topic #3356

there ya go =) ha. http://www.seriousmagic.com/video%20blog.cfm --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jakob Lodwick" <jakob@c...> wrote: > > From > http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050105005710&newsLang=en > > Company: Serious Magic > Booth/Stand: LVCC Booth 31867 > Media Contact: Michelle Gallina > Phone: 916-985-8041 > E-mail: mgallina@s... > Web: http://www.seriousmagic.com > > Product description: Serious Magic announces two new products. > Ovation is companion software that transforms ordinary Microsoft > PowerPoint slides into highly-polished, professional presentations > in literally a few seconds. Vlog It! is the first PC video-creation > software designed specifically to help users create a video blog or > "vlog." Closed-captioning functionality was also announced for their > flagship product, Visual Communicator. > > Company description: Serious Magic revolutionizes the way people > communicate. As a leading developer of next-generation video > software and communication tools for business, educational and > professional markets, Serious Magic is changing video production by > democratizing video tools that were too expensive and complex. Now > anyone can benefit from the power of cutting-edge video, from business > communicators and independent producers to educators and students. [View]



Re: Vlog It! – commercial vlogging software

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3359 | Topic #3356

too bad no quicktime support! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jakob Lodwick" <jakob@c...> wrote: > > From > http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050105005710&newsLang=en > > Company: Serious Magic > Booth/Stand: LVCC Booth 31867 > Media Contact: Michelle Gallina > Phone: 916-985-8041 > E-mail: mgallina@s... > Web: http://www.seriousmagic.com > > Product description: Serious Magic announces two new products. > Ovation is companion software that transforms ordinary Microsoft > PowerPoint slides into highly-polished, professional presentations > in literally a few seconds. Vlog It! is the first PC video-creation > software designed specifically to help users create a video blog or > "vlog." Closed-captioning functionality was also announced for their > flagship product, Visual Communicator. > > Company description: Serious Magic revolutionizes the way people > communicate. As a leading developer of next-generation video > software and communication tools for business, educational and > professional markets, Serious Magic is changing video production by > democratizing video tools that were too expensive and complex. Now > anyone can benefit from the power of cutting-edge video, from business > communicators and independent producers to educators and students. [View]



Re: Vlog It! – commercial vlogging software

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3374 | Topic #3356

It's rare when marketing/advertising is not silly sounding. But as it is... there will likely be many many people who are not in ths thing that will do the bandwagon hop and try it out and then in many cases...forget about it. SeriousMagic is marketing to that potential audience, mostly... i think. Most in this group here understand both the fun and the big picture of video blogging. We like to be at the cusp of new ideas and technologies that cater to our hobby of video casting on the open and free internet. Still, and I have not used the software, I think there software might be good, if priced low enough. You could get creative with some of the features, and not only succumb to any of the advertisement's happily dumb suggestive branding. On the other hand, i like the idea of FREE and OPEN. So, i would love to see vloggers use tools that don't cost... unless you donate. The software to make ~and~ distribute media... free. and following suit, the media itself is free, afterall. Plus, that would stick it to the 'industry' setters. =) sull --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Jakob Lodwick" <jakob@c...> wrote: > > I hadn't seen that in-depth product page when I posted the press > release. I think this product is not in line with what I'm interested > in doing with vlogging, which is showing people what my life is like. >... [View]



Re: Introducing myself and finding out about video blogging

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3390 | Topic #3383

Hey Christian. Here's a shoutback to you =) I lived in Tucson for awhile. You in Phoenix? I'll watch your videos. they look fun. cheers. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "christianbrower" <christianbrower@y...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm not so sure what I do is vlogging for video blogging or.... > > Anyways I have a web site/vlog?: > > http://www.bazam.com > > Here I put all my little video projects for the world to see. > > Is it in the correct format? > I don't think so from what I see at other sites. > From some of the comments I am sure that the purists are going to > freak out because I put my domain names in my videos but I pay good > money for the hosting and if by some freak chance one of my videos > gets popular (can you say Star Wars Kid?) I might be able to make > some money before the server explodes so I can keep it going. > > I'm not really sure that I truly understand the defintion of > vlogging I guess. > > Well no matter... > > I use a wide variety of software to create my videos and they are on > any number of topics from politics to zombies. They are created for > any number of reasons from insomnia, political commentary, and wacky > stuff to get digital design clients to... [View]



Re: embedded Windows Media Player

By Michael Sullivan | "Michael Sullivan" <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 5, 2005 | Post #3425 | Topic #3399

Embedding is good practice as long as you don't present more than a few media posts as long as they do not all automatically playback together. The page load for media download and proper player plugins would be deemed bad practice and could cause browser to crash in some cases. One approach is to utilize a blog engines typical ability to show a post teaser and in order to view the rest, which could contain the embedded media, a new page is opened strictly for that that post. You can add images as video or audio representations in the list of teaser posts (such as on your main page). The other aproach is to use size-constrained popup windows or entire new windows to play back any media. Good design varies with each method. Even more advanced templates can have a dedicated space on the page, such as a sidebar area, where all media is played and a listing of vlog posts next to it. some new vlog feed players are now being developed which will attempt to make the viewing of video from various sources an intuitive and quick way to get the videos direct, bypassing the need to visit the site where the media was referenced in a post. This is going to be an interesting area to watch developments on. If you use htmlarea (htmlarea.com) in your blog software and have ability to install plugins for it on... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod prototype (not from Apple)

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 6, 2005 | Post #3488 | Topic #3449

screw that... get something like this: http://archos.com/products/overview/gmini_400.html i like it. it's usually cheaper than an iPod. (unless you already have an iPod) On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:19:14 -0500, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> wrote: > > found on Unmediated.org > > http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5668.html > > Beating Apple to the punch, little-known peripheral manufacturer Nyko > has unveiled an iPod accessory which enables the popular audio player > to play back videos on a 3.5" display > > At the ongoing Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nyko > Technologies has announced the MoviePlayer, an iPod peripheral which > gives owners the ability to play back video stored on an iPod on a > 3.5" display. Currently at the prototype stage, the company says the > accessory is slated for release in the spring 2005, utilizing a > portable cradle concept to connect the accessory to an iPod. > > The MoviePlayer will connect to the iPod via the dock connector and > draw upon its storage capabilities, delivering video playback on a > 3.5", 16-bit TFT display as opposed to the small, monochrome display > of the iPod itself. The accessory also includes built-in stereo > speakers, although whether users will be able to utilize headphones is > still unclear. > > Offering a dedicated user interface, the MoviePlayer will according to > Nyko allow for both music and video playback, as well as photo > viewing, using a navigational interface which... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod prototype (not from Apple)

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 6, 2005 | Post #3492 | Topic #3449

i do have one. got for $350 and you see all it can do. i like ipods, but t= his is better value. podcasting works on other devices, so i didnt get you= r comment on that?? i am not happy with the term podcasting, actually. unl= ess all these devices are considered pods... whatever, unimportant. On Th= u, 6 Jan 2005 18:01:49 -0500, Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> wro= te: > Do you have one already? > If so, what do you think of it? > > Downs= ide of it is that it's not the iPod. Its ubiquity and recognition > really = help stuff like podcasting. > > Chris > > > On Jan 6, 2005, at 5:37 PM, = Michael Sullivan wrote: > > > screw that... get something like this: > > h= ttp://archos.com/products/overview/gmini_400.html > > > > i like it. it's= usually cheaper than an iPod. > > > > (unless you already have an iPod) >= > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:19:14 -0500, Joshua Kinberg > > <jkinberg= @...> wrote: > > > > > > found on Unmediated.org > > > > > > http= ://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5668.html > > > > > > Beating Apple to th= e punch, little-known peripheral manufacturer > > Nyko > > > has unveiled = an iPod accessory which enables the popular audio > > player > > > to play= back videos on... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Video iPod prototype (not from Apple)

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 6, 2005 | Post #3508 | Topic #3449

good point. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:37:12 -0500, Christopher Weagel <humand= og@...> wrote: > What Josh said. > > Chris > > On Jan 6, 2005, at= 6:33 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: > > > I do think its the iPod that has hel= ped create this tipping point for > > digital media reaching the masses. P= odcasting could have happened a > > few years ago, there's no reason why i= t couldn't technically, its not > > a very complicated thing. But, its par= tly because of the ubiquity of > > the iPod that has made it happen *now*.= > > > > That doesn't mean the iPod is the only device that can do what it= > > does. It just happens to be the one with the most cultural > > signi= ficance. But that may change.... > > > > -Josh > > > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005= 18:21:43 -0500, Michael Sullivan > > <sulleleven@...> wrote: > > >= > > > i do have one. got for $350 and you see all it can do. > > > i li= ke ipods, but this is better value. > > > podcasting works on other device= s, so i didnt get your comment on > > that?? > > > i am not happy with the= term podcasting, actually. unless all these > > > devices are considered= pods... whatever,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] pulling my hair out

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 6, 2005 | Post #3525 | Topic #3518

Hi Ben, If you decide to try embedded video again, try using this helper app: I had it tucked away in my bookmarks. It can be useful to video bloggers who don't want to manually create the code. http://cit.ucsf.edu/embedmedia/step1.php cheers, michael On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:49:27 -0800 (PST), Benjamin deRuyter <benjaminderuyter@...> wrote: > > Hello Again Video Bloggers, > > In a desparate attempt to use an embedded player in my > video blog (without annoying the hell out of visitors) > I am trying to get Firefox to abide by my > "autostart='false'" property in the embed tag. But it > won't listen!! This works fine in IE (using the object > tag). Has anyone else had this problem in Firefox? > > Any Mac users out there who are able to view my video? > I've gotten reports of some problems from Mac users > but cannot find a helpful resource online. > > http://www.benjaminderuyter.com/ > > Thanks! > Ben > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] HD Vidblog #053

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3539 | Topic #3538

good stuff ;-) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:24:40 -0500, Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> wrote: > > New Vidblog up at the Human Dog Lab: > > Entry #053: Lac St Clair > > Encoded with 3ivx, into a quicktime file. > > Lab: http://www.human-dog.com/exper/journal1.html > > Direct Movie: http://www.human-dog.com/exper/vidblogs/010605.mov > > AND: > > I'm still accepting commentaries for the Year End DVD, so record some! > > HD DVD: http://www.human-dog.com/exper/dvd04info.html > > Thanks > Chris Weagel > http://www.human-dog.com > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] No videoblogging on the NYC subway

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3570 | Topic #3559

this is fucked up! petition anyone? well, maybe braking the lay will make it more exciting =) this reminds me of one of my silly ideas... suspiciouslookingbag.com- I was going to recruit people to go out and find these slb's and take pictures and video of them around NYC.... you know, to help combat terrorism and shit. "is THIS a suspicious looking bag?" how do some of the most clueless people end up making our laws? damn. On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:27:32 -0800, M. Sean Gilligan <seanlist@...> wrote: > > Hopefully the ban, mentioned by Dan Gillmor, who cites a New York Times article > http://dangillmor.typepad.com/dan_gillmor_on_grassroots/2005/01/more_anticamera.html > won't take effect before vloggercon. > -- Sean > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > M. Sean Gilligan : 831-466-9788 x11 > vBlog Central : http://www.vblogcentral.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Content rating question

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3572 | Topic #3569

This may become an important topic. Just like proper cc licensing, a rating system may be the proper thing for video bloggers to embed. There will eventually be some scrutiny towards vloggers and I would like to see most try to do the right thing whenever possible. On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:27:29 -0000, Zadi <zadidiaz@...> wrote: > > > Here's a question for Michael Verdi (and anyone else who would like to > answer). As a parent, do you feel a bit apprehensive when Dylan clicks > on a video blog without knowing what it contains? Since you can't > really tell what's in it until you view it, how do you go about > filtering stuff. Or do you even filter at all? > > Would this bring up a rating debate? Ryanne, I was visiting your vlog > and saw that you have a "not appropriate for children" as your tag. I > started wondering if my videos should be rated... They aren't too > explicit, but there is adult language, etc. And being that we have the > "youngest vlogger" among us, I'm just wondering what you guys think. > > Does it matter? thoughts? > > Zadi > > http://smashface.com/vlog > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: No videoblogging on the NYC subway

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3577 | Topic #3559

this is terrific! On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:34:32 -0000, Andrew Baron <videoblogyahoo@...> wrote: > > > Want to know what the cops are like in NYC with regards to > videocameras? Check out this video clip. > http://a.parsons.edu/~baron/images/andrew_cop.mov > > This is the most exciting video capture I have ever taken. > > On the day Geroge W. Bush was in town to deliver his re-election > address to the Republican National Convention in Madison Square > Gardens, I was right below in Penn Station, trying to overcome my > fears of terrorism and make a high speed artistic video. By putting > myself in the most likely place for an attack, it helped. But it was > the cops, not terrorists that frightend me. I was lucky to make it > home that day, unscathed. > > I put this video here temporarily for you. This is the old message I > attached to the video post: > "Please do not copy or redistribute this video. I'm not sure what the > story is on the legalities, this is just for my personal life story, > yea. One day I may be forced to take it down. I'm not sure." > > But after reading this article by Gillmor, I think I would like to > upload this video to the archive.org. > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@g...> wrote: > > > sorry, i just... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] pronunciation of vlog ( Re: Video iPod prototype (not from Apple) )

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3620 | Topic #3449

hmm. this is one of those side issues that actually is worth figuring out. we should consider.... blogs will often be a mix of text, photo, video and audio. Not always only one or the other type. 'blog' has already been coined and is the hyped word to describe millions of peoples web sites. a post within a blog can be considered a 'vlog or vog or vidblog post'. So we have bloggers who also are vloggers etcetera. dedicated video blogs or audio blogs (btw, there is no nickname for audio blogs is there?) are actually blogcasts and broadcasts and webcasts. Just like TV Broadcasting networks. headache! =) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:44:28 -0800, M. Sean Gilligan <seanlist@...> wrote: > > >How do you pronounce vlog? > > I've always thought it was the same double consonant as in vladimir. Since in Spanish, v and b are pronounced the same (almost the same?) it should be really confusing for Spanish speakers. > > I prefer vblog, pronounced vee-blog. Since a lot of folks still don't know what a blog is vblog seems a little clearer. vblog = v + blog or video in a blog. The v doesn't replace the b, it just adds to it. > > Some say "vog", too. So if you don't mind using extra letters/syllables, then videoblog is the clearest of all. > > It looks like vlog is wining out, so I guess... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: No videoblogging on the NYC subway

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3624 | Topic #3559

when I bought my GL-1 3 years ago, it was to be considered non-invasive... = opposed to the XL-1 and others. Things are changing! On Fri, 07 Jan 2005= 22:40:38 -0000, Eric Rice <eric@...> wrote: > > > I've asked th= is question of Steve and Jay (I think) about the caliber of the camera when= > whipped out in public. > > I often feel a bit odd whipping out this cor= ny little mini-DV cam. Yet, would this be > different if I whipped out an X= L1-S or Canon GL2 ? > > Heck, for my podcasts, I have mic flags. It's just= habit I guess. I'd think you'd get a lot less > hassle looking 'profession= al' and then from the creative angle, more people might think > it's more t= han a hobby (perception). > > Thoughts? > > Eric > PS I'm coming to vlogg= ercon! > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel <hu= mandog@c...> wrote: > > Andrew > > > > You handled that well. > > > > I wou= ld've ended up beaten and in a reeducation camp. > > > > chris > > > > > > = > > On Jan 7, 2005, at 12:34 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: > > > > > > > > Want = to know what the cops are like in NYC with regards to > > > videocameras? =... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: vloggercon location update

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
January 7, 2005 | Post #3628 | Topic #3501

i work a few blocks away from there. but live way upstate :( so the spoiled convenience (saturday's off) will be balanced by the fun Con! sull On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:51:03 -0000, Andrew Baron <videoblogyahoo@...> wrote: > > > Yes, Manhattan near Union Square. Both departments, Design and Tech > and Communications are at corner of 13th street and 5th ave. Room > location will be somewhere within a couple of blocks. > > Here are links to the two departments: > http://parsons.edu/departments/department.aspx?dID=69&sdID=91&ptype=2 > http://parsons.edu/departments/department.aspx?dID=72&sdID=95&pType=1 > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eli Chapman" > <opensourcefood@y...> wrote: > > > > That sounds great Andrew! I probably missed this, and I think I'm > > confusing two different NY design schools here, but can you (or > > someone) confirm that vloggercon is in Manhattan? For some reason I'm > > thinking it's in Brooklyn. I know you're working on a room number, but > > does someone have an address yet? Is 5th Ave near Union Sq. correct? > > Thanks! -eli > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- ~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~|~| i n t e r d i g i t a t e . c o m ===================== [View]