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The INternet of Video

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
September 14, 2004 | Post #1159 | Topic #1159

Jeremy Allaire says on Paidcontent.org: http://www.paidcontent.org/contentnext/jeremy_allaire/ the_internet_of_vide.php "Now that video can be produced cheaply and with reasonable production values, and now that it can be affordably distributed and perhaps even easily monetized, will we see an emerging new class of "video site producers" rather than classic textual content. In 1994 when the Web really emerged, it helped bring forth an explosion in the amount and richness of text that was produced and available globally. I believe we're at the front-end of a very similar curve in video, and this world / opportunity is not going to look very much like how we as consumers find, acquire and view video today." via http://www.unmediated.org/ --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 14, 2004 | Post #1164 | Topic #1159

On 14/09/2004, at 10:55 PM, Steve Garfield wrote: > Jeremy Allaire says on Paidcontent.org: > http://www.paidcontent.org/contentnext/jeremy_allaire/ > the_internet_of_vide.php > > "Now that video can be produced cheaply and with reasonable production > values, and now that it can be affordably distributed and perhaps even > easily monetized, will we see an emerging new class of "video site > producers" rather than classic textual content. In 1994 when the Web > really emerged, it helped bring forth an explosion in the amount and > richness of text that was produced and available globally. I believe > we're at the front-end of a very similar curve in video, and this world > / opportunity is not going to look very much like how we as consumers > find, acquire and view video today." > <warning, grumpy mood> congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. < /warning, grumpy mood> bugger, didn't make me feel any happier. cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
September 14, 2004 | Post #1165 | Topic #1159

--Apple-Mail-1-942343481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > <warning, grumpy mood> > congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. > < /warning, grumpy mood> > > bugger, didn't make me feel any happier. > > cheers > Adrian Miles > Total agreement. His words are very similar to the same piles of crud written about the independent digital filmmaking "revolution". To me, articles like this are just pointing out his discovery of the wonderful new potential of the internet to deliver the same rotten garbage that gluts the mainstream. Chris > --Apple-Mail-1-942343481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII <excerpt> <fixed> <<warning, grumpy mood></fixed> <fixed> congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious.</fixed> <fixed> << /warning, grumpy mood></fixed> <fixed> bugger, didn't make me feel any happier.</fixed> <fixed> cheers</fixed> <fixed> Adrian Miles</fixed> </excerpt> Total agreement. His words are very similar to the same piles of crud written about the independent digital filmmaking "revolution". To me, articles like this are just pointing out his discovery of the wonderful new potential of the internet to deliver the same rotten garbage that gluts the mainstream. Chris <excerpt> </excerpt> --Apple-Mail-1-942343481-- [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
September 15, 2004 | Post #1169 | Topic #1159

> > <warning, grumpy mood> > > congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. > > < /warning, grumpy mood> > Total agreement. > His words are very similar to the same piles of crud written about the > independent digital filmmaking "revolution". > To me, articles like this are just pointing out his discovery of the > wonderful new potential of the internet to deliver the same rotten > garbage that gluts the mainstream. that's what i like about this group. yep. we spot the bullshit. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
September 15, 2004 | Post #1178 | Topic #1159

On Sep 15, 2004, at 1:37 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: >>> <warning, grumpy mood> >>> congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. >>> < /warning, grumpy mood> > >> Total agreement. >> His words are very similar to the same piles of crud written about the >> independent digital filmmaking "revolution". >> To me, articles like this are just pointing out his discovery of the >> wonderful new potential of the internet to deliver the same rotten >> garbage that gluts the mainstream. > > that's what i like about this group. > yep. > we spot the bullshit. > I'm lost. Why do his words upset you? Shouldn't we be happy that he's talking about the same things we are talking about? [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
September 15, 2004 | Post #1182 | Topic #1159

--Apple-Mail-1-990420386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Steve This is my read on it, others may differ. It's not what he's talkin= g about, but how he's talking about it. With a little research he could've = found our group and work (and so could the people who left comments under = his entry) and not approached the article like this was a big discovery. I= t's great that people talk about this stuff, but the tone of "Now that I'v= e found it, gives it legitimacy" bothers me. Also, the implication in many = of these articles is that all of this "opportunity" that internet video pr= ovides can only be fully realized when it can be figured out how to use it= to reproduce what they already do. I found it condescending. Chris = On Sep 15, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2004, = at 1:37 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > > >>>=A0 <warning, grumpy mood> > >>>=A0 = congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. > >>>=A0 < /warning, grum= py mood> > > > >> Total agreement. > >> His words are very similar to th= e same piles of crud written about > the > >> independent digital filmmak= ing "revolution". > >> To me, articles like this are just pointing out his= discovery of > the > >> wonderful new potential of the internet to deliv= er the... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
September 15, 2004 | Post #1183 | Topic #1159

> > >>>� <warning, grumpy mood> > > >>>� congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. > > >>>� < /warning, grumpy mood> > I found it condescending. > > > that's what i like about this group. > > > yep. > > > we spot the bullshit. > > I'm lost. > > Why do his words upset you? > > Shouldn't we be happy that he's talking about the same things we are > > talking about? in light of what everyone is saying... let's read it again. "Now that video can be produced cheaply and with reasonable production values, and now that it can be affordably distributed and perhaps even easily monetized, will we see an emerging new class of "video site producers" rather than classic textual content. In 1994 when the Web really emerged, it helped bring forth an explosion in the amount and richness of text that was produced and available globally. I believe we're at the front-end of a very similar curve in video, and this world / opportunity is not going to look very much like how we as consumers find, acquire and view video today." I just latch onto "easily monetized" and "opportunities" and "consumers" and "front-end"... I just dont share the same direction this guy seems to be hinting towards. a web of video that helps keep selling the same old stuff i hate. i want video on the web to... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
September 15, 2004 | Post #1185 | Topic #1159

--B_3178086317_162497 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable With out a doubt you will eventually see a flurry of start-up post-dot.comm= ers who=B9d either ripped off or failed investors in an rss feeding frenzy = of =B3video=B2 once this all gets going. Instead of being limited to 800 ch= annels of TV garbage we will have unlimited quantities of useless, redundan= t, visual crud. Only the savy who know how to sift through the garbage to f= ind the gems will really be the winners. On 9/15/04 9:19 AM, "Jay Dedman"= <jay@...> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>=A0 <warning, grumpy mood> >>>>>> > >= >>>=A0 congratulations on stating the bleeding obvious. >>>>>> > > >>>= =A0 < /warning, grumpy mood> > >> > I found it condescending. > >>>> > > = > that's what i like about this group. >>>> > > > yep. >>>> > > > we spo= t the bullshit. > >>> > > I'm lost. >>> > > Why do his words upset you? = >>> > > Shouldn't we be happy that he's talking about the same things we a= re >>> > > talking about? > > in light of what everyone is saying... > le= t's read it again. > > "Now that video can be produced cheaply and with re= asonable production > values, and now that it can be affordably distributed= and perhaps even > easily monetized, will we see an emerging new... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 15, 2004 | Post #1186 | Topic #1159

On 16/09/2004, at 1:22 AM, Christopher Weagel wrote: > It's not what he's talking about, but how he's talking about it. > With a little research he could've found our group and work (and so > could the people who left comments under his entry) > and not approached the article like this was a big discovery. lighten up everyone. 1. i surrounded it with <grumpy mood>. i was in a grumpy mood. i signalled this, so there as irony and pissed off ness in there. but i signalled it. much like walking into a pub and when someone asks "how's your day been?" you reply "shitty" and everyone knows you'll probably whinge about work for the next 1.5 beers. 2. As Christopher says, it ain't news. The sun's going to come up in the morning too. As Christopher says, a few minutes online would find this group, and numerous other commentators (Eli Chapman for example) that have been discussing this for at least 2 years. 3. I'm not impressed by sloppy scholarship or reporting. Acknowledge others, if you think its your idea, check around to see where it fits with others. cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 15, 2004 | Post #1187 | Topic #1159

On 16/09/2004, at 12:05 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: > I'm lost. > > Why do his words upset you? > > Shouldn't we be happy that he's talking about the same things we are > talking about? > yes and no. Yes but then insert the comments into the places where people can find out more. No, because I'm buried in work and don't have time to finish a vog and so am feeling grumpy, so what I said is to be taken with that mood in mind. And yes he's talking about similar stuff, but sometimes I get frustrated (like you). I've been advocating this for ages, I'm developing an entire curriculum around it, and so on. So when someone comes along and says, "gee whiz, i think this is going to happen" and there are people who have been exploring this for 3 years, I feel a bit like the Aborigines must have felt when a white man apparently 'discovered' where they lived. cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
September 15, 2004 | Post #1188 | Topic #1159

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Adrian Miles wrote: > And yes he's talking about similar stuff, but sometimes I get > frustrated (like you). I've been advocating this for ages, I'm > developing an entire curriculum around it, and so on. So when someone > comes along and says, "gee whiz, i think this is going to happen" and > there are people who have been exploring this for 3 years, I feel a bit > like the Aborigines must have felt when a white man apparently > 'discovered' where they lived. I have no problem with you being grumpy. A lot of punditry is a series of overlapping personal epiphanies, with different people having the same insight for themselves. Sometimes this is unbelievably aggravating. - Lucas [View]



Re: [videoblogging] The INternet of Video

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 15, 2004 | Post #1189 | Topic #1159

On 16/09/2004, at 9:06 AM, Adrian Miles wrote: > And yes he's talking about similar stuff, but sometimes I get > frustrated (like you). I've been advocating this for ages, I'm > developing an entire curriculum around it, and so on. So when someone > comes along and says, "gee whiz, i think this is going to happen" and > there are people who have been exploring this for 3 years, I feel a bit > like the Aborigines must have felt when a white man apparently > 'discovered' where they lived. > I should also at this point indicate that there are also numerous people advocating this before I (Grahame Weinbraun, Jeffrey Shaw, David Balcom, etc etc...)! cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: The INternet of Video

By Eli Chapman | "Eli Chapman" <opensourcefood@...> | opensourcefood
September 16, 2004 | Post #1191 | Topic #1159

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@r...> wrote: > As Christopher says, a few minutes online would find this group, and numerous other commentators (Eli Chapman for example) that have been discussing this for at least 2 years. >>>>>>>>> The funny thing is that I accidentally started this discussion with an unmediated post that was del.icio.us'd by Ryan Shaw, reblogged by Kenyatta Cheese back onto Unmediated, and then posted here (I think by Steve). I posted it for a few different reasons: --I like Rafat Ali's PaidContent.org and his new idea (ContentNext) for bringing in thinkers and CEOs from the digital media industry, and I wanted unmediated readers to check it out. --The post's author, Jeremy Allaire, is a pretty prolific and interesting guy (former CTO of Macromedia and avid blogger, Google him for info) --And I'm a big fan of raising the investment community's awareness and interest in the potential breakthoughs we're heading towards in the field of video production tools, technology, and services. Greater attention increases the chance of raising money and is only going to help those of us who want to build solutions to the problems we're all experiencing, talking and thinking about. Anything that contributes towards defining direction and strategy for manifesting the future of media, communication, and entertainment is going to get my thumbs up- regardless if it's from peers on the web, research labs and universities, community experiments, startups, or corporations. And make that... [View]



Re: The INternet of Video

By Deirdré Straughan | =?iso-8859-1?q?Deirdr=E9_Straughan?= <lists@...> | deirdrebs2002
September 16, 2004 | Post #1195 | Topic #1159

> I just latch onto "easily monetized" and "opportunities" and "consumers" = and > "front-end"... > I just dont share the same direction this guy seems= to be hinting towards. > a web of video that helps keep selling the same o= ld stuff i hate. > i want video on the web to show me things ive never seen= before. > i want video on the web to let us talk to each other in new ays = (like in > this group). > I dont want Coke "videos" by made 5th graders(re= al people so its honest!!) > on their blogs as part of some contest. "Eas= ily monetized" is not a bad thing - it goes back to the micropayments discu= ssion we've had before. Maybe none of us will ever make big bucks on our vi= deos. But, as I keep saying, neither should we have to pay if we become pop= ular. I don't see the Internet Archive folks as a complete solution, becaus= e they have said they only want "artistic" videos, and who's to judge what'= s artistic? What's wrong with those 5th graders, anyway? We were all 5th gr= aders once, and maybe we had something interesting to say even then. No on= e knows what is going to come out of all this. A new way to distribute the = same old stuff? Sure, that's already happening. But the thousand flowers... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: The INternet of Video

By Eric Rice | Eric Rice <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
September 16, 2004 | Post #1197 | Topic #1159

--Apple-Mail-15-1056109944 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Indie Media and Corporate Media can co-exist the same way that a bed-and-b= reakfast on the California Coast does not compete with the Hilton. Same wi= th restaurants in your local chinatown vs. PF Changs. Etc. I consume Mac a= nd Cheese or McD's and fancypants dinners whenever it suits me. More choic= e, the better. (Except like, shampoos) Eric On Sep 16, 2004, at 2:27 AM, = Deirdr=E9 Straughan wrote: > > I just latch onto "easily monetized" and "o= pportunities" and > "consumers" and > > "front-end"... > > I just dont s= hare the same direction this guy seems to be hinting > towards. > > a web= of video that helps keep selling the same old stuff i hate. > > i want vi= deo on the web to show me things ive never seen before. > > i want video o= n the web to let us talk to each other in new ays > (like in > > this gro= up). > > I dont want Coke "videos" by made 5th graders(real people so its = > honest!!) > > on their blogs as part of some contest. > > "Easily mone= tized" is not a bad thing - it goes back to the > micropayments discussion= we've had before. Maybe none of us will ever > make big bucks on our vide= os. But, as I... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: The INternet of Video

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 16, 2004 | Post #1224 | Topic #1159

On 16/09/2004, at 2:24 PM, Eli Chapman wrote: > Anything that contributes towards defining direction and strategy for > manifesting the future of media, communication, and entertainment is > going to get my thumbs up- regardless if it's from peers on the web, > research labs and universities, community experiments, startups, or > corporations. > > And make that 5 years Adrian- 2 publicly ;) agree and let's face it, I was being petulant. (gawd, I hate that.) cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: The INternet of Video

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
September 16, 2004 | Post #1200 | Topic #1159

On Sep 16, 2004, at 5:27 AM, Deirdr=E9 Straughan wrote: > No one knows wh= at is going to come out of all this. A new way to > distribute the same old= stuff? Sure, that's already happening. But the > thousand flowers are also= blooming, and the term "citizen journalism" > is entering the mainstream. = When I see that someone is showing me a video that they did "a few years = ago", I'm less interested than in a video that some one says, "I just shot= this today!" --Steve --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield = Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.= blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspo= t.com/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: The INternet of Video

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
September 16, 2004 | Post #1201 | Topic #1159

On Sep 16, 2004, at 5:37 AM, Eric Rice wrote: > More choice, the better. (Except like, shampoos) What shampoo do you use? ;-) --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: The INternet of Video

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
September 16, 2004 | Post #1208 | Topic #1159

On 9/16/04 2:37 AM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > Indie Media and Corporate Media can co-exist the same way that a > bed-and-breakfast on the California Coast does not compete with the > Hilton. > Eric Well sort of. Too be inclusive there are other issues to be concerned about. As the airwaves of the U.S. are considered to be owned by the public, I'm not sure how that works with the Internet. Media is a huge profit making business for the big media corporations. The manners in which they dominate are many. Consider the work of the FCC, Michael Powell (son of Colin Powell) who heads the FCC, and the Bush Administration. At this time the fines for "indecency" are being applied at a much higher pace with the largest fines ever. They are fines applied across the board. For Viacom to take a $500,000 fine for some such infraction is minor compared to a small operation, which can be put out of business. Would you not think this is being considered or watched on the Internet? Are ways of containing and undermining freedom of expression not under consideration by these people? Blogs are influencing airwave news reports more and more often. When the chatter on a topic gets passed around that would normally be ignored on the mainstream media news it has, in some cases, forced the TV/Radio to comply and report, at least in their own swayed... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: The INternet of Video

By M. Sean Gilligan | "M. Sean Gilligan" <seanlist@...> | M_Sean_Gilligan
September 16, 2004 | Post #1210 | Topic #1159

> >I'm not being very complete here at all...I'm at work...coming to a close on >a stupid puppet movie (never thought I'd be doing puppet porn). > >http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/team_america/ I thought you earlier had said you were removing the strings, but there were strings all over the preview. Have you been too busy videoblogging to do your day job right? ;-) Actually, the trailer makes the movie look entertaining. Are you just sick of it cuz you've been working on it for so long? -- Sean -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- M. Sean Gilligan : 831-466-9788 x11 Catalla Systems, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [View]