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BloggerVision

By Yaron Samid | "Yaron Samid" <yaron@...> | yaron_samid
June 15, 2004 | Post #12 | Topic #12

Hello all, I'm an entrepreneur in NYC that has recently secured funding for my broadband media startup. Our product/network will enable anyone to broadcast DVD quality video over the Internet to an unlimited number of viewers at no cost. I'm particularly passionate about helping video bloggers and independent content producers to get their visual stories to the world by entirely bypassing the bureaucracy of traditional offline distribution channels and the technical, quality and cost limitations of streaming video online. I believe strongly that if you give the world a free, easy-to-use self-publishing tool for securely distributing (and even monetizing) video online, it would ignite the minds and imagination of thousands of creative people around the world that would otherwise never have their content seen by anyone outside of their immediate circle of friends and family. While most of the content would be relevant only to their producer and perhaps close friends (much like text-based blogs) I believe there are hidden gems out there that the masses would eagerly and loyally consume if they could easily find it, `subscribe' to it, and watch it (instantly, clearly and full screen) on their IP-enabled device of choice, whenever they want. Our business plan is counting on it and I would love your help to validate some of our thinking and product concepts. Just the fact that we were able to secure funding from a major VC with video blogging as a central premise... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #13 | Topic #12

On 15/06/2004, at 4:07 PM, Yaron Samid wrote: > I'm an entrepreneur in NYC that has recently secured funding for my > broadband media startup. Our product/network will enable anyone to > broadcast DVD quality video over the Internet to an unlimited number > of viewers at no cost. I'm particularly passionate about helping > video bloggers and independent content producers to get their visual > stories to the world by entirely bypassing the bureaucracy of > traditional offline distribution channels and the technical, quality > and cost limitations of streaming video online. hi Yaron ok, I'm regularly going to play devil's advocate here, ok? largely in the spirit of pushing ideas and making things better. so, front up question. What's the big deal about DVD quality material? Lots of things work not because they are high rez but because their content works, or the content model works. (SMS, early html, early cinema, early radio spring to mind.) I'm not sure if it is a relevant analogy, but on my desktop i want small video works, not monuments. I want monuments I'll go to the cinema. At a major end of the spectrum it isn't about the production values in this sense. In the same way I guess that blogs aren't books, and don't try to be. What empowers more is a tool that makes it easy to make, much like a pencil and sketchpad. We don't need galleries to... [View]



Re: BloggerVision

By Yaron Samid | "Yaron Samid" <yaron@...> | yaron_samid
June 15, 2004 | Post #14 | Topic #12

Great question and point Adrian, and thanks for playing devils advocate, the most important part of innovating a new idea/product is having people smarter then you shoot holes in it until its actually worth something. Quality of service, namely picture quality (resolution and screen size) is important to mainstream viewer adoption. Its been proven time and again in the media world. Cable TV killed that antenna on top of your old TV set because of picture quality, not because of the 100 channels you never watch. You'll be switching to and paying extra for HDTV soon to. That being said, I've always felt the plumbing is only worth the shit it delivers. Picture quality or not, you're 100% correct, content is THE main driver of viewership and always will be. I would think picture quality is relevant for video bloggers as well, whether they shoot a 15 second "life moment" or 5 minute short movie -- you put in the time to produce the content, isn't it a shame to have it seen in a choppy 200X100 window? Before you answer that, let me just say that it is entirely up to you. Our goal is not to enforce any production value standards on video bloggers, just to facilitate the publishing and distribution of their video files, regardless of its size. The key value to video bloggers is that its an free and easy way to publish video online. If... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #17 | Topic #12

When I videoblog, my workflow is fairly similar to Steve Garfield's. http://www.stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ When i was first starting, I realy liked how he was transparent about his process. Peter and I discovered that digital cameras take those short MPEG's which are great for the web. Very easy to download. The whole problem comes with optimizing and then uploading and posting. I got the whole process down to about 10 minutes. Still too long. About two months ago, Peter wrote up the specs for our imaginary videoblogging tool that Adrian spoke of. http://www.me-tv.org/wakka.php?wakka=DeskTopTool&v=15x7 With just a couple of buttons you could edit, optimize and upload to your blog. I believe that Adrian is right. Through videoblogging, I want to express my daily life. Just little moments. It's like the difference between writing poetry and shooting a feature movie. "we need the sketchpad". Is anyone working on a blogging tool that you know of? Yaron, what exactly are you creating? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #18 | Topic #12

The other problem is memory and bandwidth. If I post a 10 second video(200k) every day, I will run out of server space pretty quickly. I dont want to erase my archives. Imagine if I had DVD quality video....how big would that file be? And if I have 500 people watch my video every day(not inconceivable), I will run out of bandwidth within a week. Peter and I are talking about renting our own server and sharing the costs with other videobloggers. would anyone be interested? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



RE: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Yaron Samid | "Yaron Samid" <yaron@...> | yaron_samid
June 15, 2004 | Post #20 | Topic #12

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C452D8.2F029B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The solution for memory, space, bandwidth and cost limitations associated w= ith today's central streaming server architecture is to completely decentra= lize the distribution of the videos. Viewer PC bandwidth and storage is in = abundance these days and significantly underutilized. That's we're technolo= gies such as P2P and RSS along with self-publishing and content management = innovations come into play. Video blogging is archived (not real-time) by n= ature, which makes it ideal for P2P-based distribution. I know you've been = discussing BitTorrent powered RSS enclosures for video subscription and del= ivery - that's a great place to being experimenting. Now imagine a push-but= ton desktop publishing tool and global network leveraging the efficiencies = of P2P with the convenience of a viewer experience embedded directly in you= r blog. Subscribed viewers are notified of your new post, launch your site,= and watch the video (which has already been delivered in the background to= their local disk) directly in your blog post. No server space, memory, or = bandwidth costs whatsoever. Does that model work? -y -----Origi= nal Message----- From: Jay Dedman [mailto:jay@...] Sent: Tuesday, June= 15, 2004 8:21 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblog= ging] BloggerVision The other problem is memory and bandwidth. If I pos= t a 10 second video(200k) every day, I will run out of server space pretty= quickly. I dont want to erase my archives. Imagine if I... [View]



RE: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #21 | Topic #12

Mica sent me a link to this woman's website. she studies at the MIT media lab. looks like they'd developing the kind of video interface that Peter dreamed up. http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #22 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 1:18 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > Is anyone working on a blogging tool that you know of? I know that Aisling Kelliher was working on something like this, but I'm not sure where the project is up to. They were at the Media Lab at MIT and also MIT's Dublin Media Lab. they're videoblog is at: http://www.audiovisceral.net/ and more details at: http://web.media.mit.edu/~aisling/ also Eli at http://www.chapmanlogic.com/blog/ is working on stuff to do with prosumer tools that would achieve these sorts of things. btw eli has a good list of links. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #23 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 1:21 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > And if I have 500 people watch my video every day(not inconceivable), > I will > run out of bandwidth within a week. > Peter and I are talking about renting our own server and sharing the > costs with > other videobloggers. > > would anyone be interested? now i need to be careful here, but I can provide some hosting space/bandwidth from my server. it is in Australia (in a small room downstairs), but i can do this for you for free. the proviso's are: 1. the content must adhere to fair use provisions 2. it can't slander, vilify, etc 3. it must fit the research stuff i'm trying to support (providing some kickstart help for videoblogs is ok) 4. it is a research server which means there is definitely *no* 24/7 support and minimal backups are kept. given all that, is some people are interested in say 1Gb of free server space to serve from for a while, let me know and we'll see what we can come up with. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #24 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 5:56 AM, Yaron Samid wrote: > Now imagine a push-button desktop publishing tool and global network > leveraging the efficiencies of P2P with the convenience of a viewer > experience embedded directly in your blog. Subscribed viewers are > notified of your new post, launch your site, and watch the video > (which has already been delivered in the background to their local > disk) directly in your blog post. No server space, memory, or > bandwidth costs whatsoever. Does that model work? I'm confused by this, though intrigued. by p2p do you mean there may be multiple copies of the vog distributed via p2p to n clients so that when client x requests the video it is served from client y who already has it? cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #25 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 10:07 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > looks like they'd developing the kind of video interface that Peter > dreamed up. > http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html also check out http://weblogs.media.mit.edu/mupes/ to see the nokia project they're working on. > cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #27 | Topic #12

isn't this what Bit Torrent is supposed to do? it seems too clunky to me. so today we've narrowed down the problems: --we need a simple interface that edits, optimizes, and posts video to a blog. --we need to solve the problem of storage so i can keep my archived video for years to come and have a permanent video presence on the web. --we need to solve the problem of bandwidth so I wont go broke if a bunch of people decide to follow my Moments day to day. The next thing is developing a langauge of videoblogging. > > On 16/06/2004, at 5:56 AM, Yaron Samid wrote: > > > Now imagine a push-button desktop publishing tool and global network > > leveraging the efficiencies of P2P with the convenience of a viewer > > experience embedded directly in your blog. Subscribed viewers are > > notified of your new post, launch your site, and watch the video > > (which has already been delivered in the background to their local > > disk) directly in your blog post. No server space, memory, or > > bandwidth costs whatsoever. Does that model work? > > I'm confused by this, though intrigued. > > by p2p do you mean there may be multiple copies of the vog distributed > via p2p to n clients so that when client x requests the video it is > served from client y... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #28 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 11:36 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > --we need to solve the problem of bandwidth so I wont go broke if a > bunch of > people decide to follow my Moments day to day. as is so often the case Ted Nelson's original ideas would have been handy here. He envisaged a system of micropayments for IP so that if you view my work i earn n cents. if i view your work you earn n cents. if i quote your work same deal. at the moment ISPs pay for bandwidth and data flow, then charge this down the line to end users. so the business model is basically wholesale v. retail, but Nelson's model is essentially P2P, and of course means if your content is popular you earn more, rather than pay more (the irony online remaining that if your content is popular it costs you, which is generally the reverse of other economic systems). cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #29 | Topic #12

On 15/06/2004, at 5:09 PM, Yaron Samid wrote: > Quality of service, namely picture quality (resolution and screen > size) is important to mainstream viewer adoption. Its been proven > time and again in the media world. Cable TV killed that antenna on > top of your old TV set because of picture quality, not because of > the 100 channels you never watch. You'll be switching to and paying > extra for HDTV soon to. That being said, I've always felt the > plumbing is only worth the shit it delivers. Picture quality or not, > you're 100% correct, content is THE main driver of viewership and > always will be. I'm too far out of trad. media studies these days to know how accurate this is :-) But i'll still keep the hat on and suggest it is only half true. In Aust. cable uptake has been low, and in Britain it (I think) was kick started by Murdoch buying football rights and sticking it on the satellite. Here digital TV is being kicked off by home DVD + theatre, not to get the digital signal. People are buying bigger tvs with better sound systems so the extra few dollars for the decoder is no big deal, but it is still secondary. now, on top of that, keep in mind in the US you have NTSC and we have PAL (as does Europe) which does look better, so... [View]



getting the code for a videoblogging tool

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 16, 2004 | Post #33 | Topic #12

Adrian, I got in touch with the guy, Kow Atta-Mensah, who helped the MIT woman build a pseudo-videoblogging tool. http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html He said they built it a couple years ago. The only thing they didnt do was give it an FTP function. He said we could possibly get the code for it. would anyone be interested in figuring it out if we could get the code? "im sad to tell you that i haven't made an update to that software in almost a couple of years. it was an undergraduate research project i was helping with back at MIT. i recently graduated and left the institute. i am not sure, but aisling might have had someone take over my role. you can reach her at aisling@.... just tell her i pointed you to her. sadly, i dont even have my old source, but if she does i believe she would be willing to give it to you. sort of messy, but someone java savvy should be able to figure it out. if you have any questions, i'd be glad to answer them." "i dont believe i ever finished that part(FTP)... but there are lots of open source java ftp clients (and servers) available so making the addition is pretty simple. the recording capability i built in was fast for the time (for java anyways) and im sure newer versions of the quicktime and jmf apis have been released which will make... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] getting the code for a videoblogging tool

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 16, 2004 | Post #34 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 3:10 PM, Jay Dedman wrote: > I got in touch with the guy, Kow Atta-Mensah, who helped the MIT woman > build a > pseudo-videoblogging tool. > http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html > He said they built it a couple years ago. > The only thing they didnt do was give it an FTP function. > > He said we could possibly get the code for it. > would anyone be interested in figuring it out if we could get the code? well one possibility is that I try to get Apple University Consortium money here in Australia to finish it and release it. Though if it is MIT's then I'd assume they own it. Other suggestions welcome. I can't program Java but this is certainly I project I might be able to get funding for. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: getting the code for a videoblogging tool

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
June 16, 2004 | Post #35 | Topic #12

> Other suggestions welcome. I can't program Java but this is certainly I project I might be able to get funding for. There is a whole bunch of tools needed (videoblogging tools, aggregating tools, ...) for various audiences. And more importantly, standards are needed for those tools (Bittorrent for P2P, RSS enclosures for syndication, ...). Is anyone interested in outlining the various audiences and/or use cases and types of tools/standards we imagine together? We can put them on the me-tv.org wiki. Having good requirements might inspire someone to actually build these things :) As I said before, I started playing around with some requirements for one type of tool on the wiki (it's slow right now, cheap host!). PS: An article in the new scientist mentions videoblogging: http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/tech/article.jsp? id=99995015&sub=Communications "A pair of sunglasses that can detect when someone is making eye contact with the wearer has been developed by Canadian researchers. Besides being useful in singles bars, its inventors say the system could play a key role in video blogging, a hi-tech form of diary keeping." Jay actually has a pair of funky glasses (they look inconspicous in the Lower East Side in NYC) connected to a video recording device. Jay, wanna try out videoblogging with those? Cheers, Peter [View]



how would you use a videoblogging tool?

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 16, 2004 | Post #36 | Topic #12

We've been talking about devloping a vdieobloggin tool. which would be amazing if we could make happen. But my question is this: how would you use it? I subscribe to all the videoblogs I can find, and most update every two weeks to every two months. definitely not daily. is videoblogging was a more intuitive process would you post video daily? what would it be? i know some people are about short Moments, while others are into edited movies. Id like to hear from some of the people who havent posted yet. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] how would you use a videoblogging tool?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 16, 2004 | Post #37 | Topic #12

On 17/06/2004, at 4:09 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > how would you use it? well next year i have 50 students who will all be doing at least one small project around video blogs. so something that lets you: capture, do a quick cut, set in and out points, publish straight into your blog CMS. iMovie does everything except the last bit, but given the things out there for iPhoto to publish to a blog, etc, I'm assuming it would be possible to write a plug in for iMovie that would do this. not sure about the 95% of the world on pcs though. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: BloggerVision

By Deirdre Straughan, class of 81 | "Deirdre Straughan, class of 81" <lists@...> | deirdrebs2002
July 19, 2004 | Post #357 | Topic #12

> --we need to solve the problem of bandwidth so I wont go broke if a bunch= of > people decide to follow my Moments day to day. Seems to me there's = something wrong with this model. If your blog were that popular, wouldn't i= t be fair for YOU to get paid for it? After all, someone somewhere along th= e line is making money from our viewing you - at the very least, our variou= s bandwidth providers. If there wasn't stuff on the web we wanted to see (i= ncluding you), we wouldn't be paying the providers, and especially we would= n't be paying them for the high speed needed to view video. best regards,= Deirdr=E9 Straughan http://www.straughan.com [View]