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what the audio people are doing….

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 17, 2004 | Post #1389 | Topic #1389

some of you may be keeping an eye on what Adam Curry et al are doing in the audio world. they are "podcasting". they do the following: 1. make an audio shows on their computers using very simple, free technology 2. post them as enclosures to a blog post (i dont know how to do this yet either) 3. subscribe to feeds of these audio posts (use bloglines/feedster) 3. use newly, built open-source software (http://www.ipodder.org/directory/4/ipodderSoftware) to automaticaly download shows as they are posted 4. easily put the audio files to their iPod or MP3 player 5. listen to these homegrown shows anywhere and anytime they want Though Adam Curry, who is the cheerleader of the movement, has been working on this idea for 5 years now.... The reality of podcasting has taken literally 2 months to happen. In just the past week....look at all these new shows.... http://www.ipodder.org/directory/4/podcasts/whatsNew/newPodcasts this is something to pay attention to. the technology is there for audio.....video has a way to go. but its exciting to see so many people MAKING stuff. Jay [View]



Re: [videoblogging] what the audio people are doing….

By Eric Rice | Eric Rice <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
October 17, 2004 | Post #1391 | Topic #1389

--Apple-Mail-2--518118581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hi campers, I feel bad for neglecting my videoblogging duties, as I'm part= of that whole podcasting phenom. It's groundwork for the bigger picture: = video. And I'm feeling first hand the effects of bandwidth usage. Now, gr= anted I have gobs of personal bandwidth, yet THAT isn't enough. Gigs upon = Gigs are automatically sucked down the second I post a show. A couple of t= houghts: 1. Let's encourage the BitTorrent folks to make BT easy, simple, = invisible, and integrated. That will do wonders to help distribution of a= ny rich media. 2. Find where the acceptable watershed is for compression. S= ize vs. Quality. 3. Don't name it zencasting. ;-) 4. Streaming vs Download= : is not a which-is-better argument. Both have their places/uses. Like two= seater convertibles and pickup trucks. Not the same thing. It's tons of = fun. Maybe a podcast for videoblog technology/techniques? I think the reas= on we haven't been so slaughtered on bandwidth is that our audience is eac= h other. Steve Garfield from Steve Garfield dot com might say differently,= (steve, you media darling, you). Niche programming might help the matters= of bandwidth with podcasting/videocasting. You know that you'll have a sp= ecific audience. Adam Curry however, has bigger problems. :-) Eric On O= ct 17, 2004, at 2:13 PM, Jay dedman wrote: > some of you may be keeping an= eye on... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] what the audio people are doing….

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 17, 2004 | Post #1392 | Topic #1389

yes, posting video/audio files as Torrents are the way to go. its a slower = dowmload...but no waste of bandwidth becasue your home computer becomes the= server. but everyone has to join in the game. I recently posted about Tor= rents. http://momentshowing.typepad.com/momentshowing/2004/10/a_bit_torrent= _f.html It's a "Bit Torrent fable" for you. AZUREUS seems to be the best s= oftware: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ howvere I still do not undertsand= how to create a torrent out of a video file, how to post it to my blog, an= d how to seed the torrent on my computer. Josh Kinsberg, who's somehere in= this list, is wokring on making this stuff easier and more automatic. O= n Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:22:45 -0700, Eric Rice <eric@...> wrote: > H= i campers, > > I feel bad for neglecting my videoblogging duties, as I'm p= art of that > whole podcasting phenom. > It's groundwork for the bigger pic= ture: video. And I'm feeling first > hand the effects of bandwidth usage. >= > Now, granted I have gobs of personal bandwidth, yet THAT isn't enough. = > Gigs upon Gigs are automatically sucked down the second I post a show. > = > A couple of thoughts: > > 1. Let's encourage the BitTorrent folks to ma= ke BT easy, simple, > invisible, and integrated. That will do wonders to he= lp distribution of > any rich media. > 2. Find where the acceptable watersh= ed... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] what the audio people are doing….

By Joshua Kinberg | Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> | joshkinberg
October 17, 2004 | Post #1394 | Topic #1389

--Apple-Mail-1--512153466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'm understanding BitTorrent a little more. Trying to write a BitTorrent Tr= acker plugin for MovableType. Why MT? Well, its my blogging platform of cho= ice. I've been using it for a while and understand some of the advanced fea= tures, but never written my own plugin. So its a fun and formidable challen= ge. I could certainly use some help if any of you are inclined. Here's how= BitTorrent works as I understand it. Its not quite as straighforward as I = would wish, but hey... If you already know this, please forgive me. Just t= rying to share the knowledge as I've found BitTorrent to be rather arcane. = Most of the BT clients, like the "official" one (http://bittorrent.com/dow= nload.html), the more advanced Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/), o= r the really simple TomatoTorrent for OSX (http://sarwat.net/bittorrent/), = will allow you to create a .torrent file from any file or directory on your= local computer. But, to make a .torrent, you need to enter the URL of a Tr= acker. You can either set up your own tracker, or use a public tracker like= the one at DV Guide. Hopefully soon, it will become easier for regular fol= ks to run their own tracker -- I think this is the major stumbling block of= BT that makes it hard for mere mortals to get it up and running. A tracke= r is sort... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
October 17, 2004 | Post #1395 | Topic #1389

This is the part of BitTorrent that keeps me from joining in. I don't really want may machine to be open to the net for people to download files. I'd rather allow them to download files from my hosting service ie: 1and1.com or .mac Can BitTorrent allow that? Thanks --Steve On Oct 17, 2004, at 7:02 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: > > Meanwhile, you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent > on your local machine. Once your .torrent file is uploaded to the > tracker you "seed" your file by attempting to use the BitTorrent > client to download the file -- even though it already exists on your > local machine. The BitTorrent client will see that this file exists on > your machine and that it is fully intact, so instead of downloading > the file BitTorrent will then begin to "seed" your file -- making it > available from YOUR machine to others that want to download it > ("leechers").--------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Rick B. Rey | "Rick B. Rey" <rick@...> | vivarey
October 17, 2004 | Post #1396 | Topic #1389

> This is the part of BitTorrent that keeps me from joining in. > > I don't really want may machine to be open to the net for people to > download files. It shouldn't be the users responsibility to distribute files. It's great that the option is available, though, and I think we should move to streamline the process as much as possible. There are a lot of obstacles to overcome to become a videoblogger. I think some of the more fundamental are related the process of creating original content and publishing it in a web-friendly format. Bandwidth and storage, in my opinion, are secondary concerns (but still very important). -Rick [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 17, 2004 | Post #1397 | Topic #1389

correct. creation and posting of videos is the most important part of this. without the videos, who cares about ditsribution. yes, we need a simple all-in-one videoblogging tool that edits, compresses and posts. but its also about individuals wanting to make videos. i mean, its possible now...but very few people are videoblogging regularly. i struggle with why this is........ about bit torrent. why be afraid of people downloading files off your computer? making your computer the server is the answer. what's the worry exactly? its great if you have huge monthly bandwidth and storage... but as Eric Rice admits....you can never have enough when hundreds/thousands of people are downloading your work. but with Torrents, the more poeple who are part of the network...the faster the download...and NO ONE loses out on bandwidth. its really the logic we want to follow. My cable modem is "always on"...so im using all of it. the problem right now, as Josh Kinsberg can attest, is the ease of use. its very easy to download a torrent using Azureus. Its next to impossible to figure out (for me) how to create a torrent out of a video, post it to my blog, and "seed" it so other people can download it. But we're working on that problem. So maybe Steve is just worried about the openness of the system...anyone can pull files off your computer... so make a closed network, like the one between my... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
October 17, 2004 | Post #1398 | Topic #1389

On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:58 PM, Jay dedman wrote: > but its also about individuals wanting to make videos. > i mean, its possible now...but very few people are videoblogging > regularly. > i struggle with why this is........ > It's easy to make lots of videos, but making videos that I think people might want to watch takes more work. Text and photo blogging doesn't ask much of the user, they can take a quick look at a post, skim it if they like, and move along. With a video post, and audio post, you don't know what you are getting until you invest your time. When I find a trusted source, like Adam Curry, I choose to invest almost an hour a day, because I know what type of content I'm going to get. Now that there are 100's of podcasts, I find it overwhelming to think about sampling these new shows. With video it's going to be the same. > about bit torrent. > why be afraid of people downloading files off your computer? > making your computer the server is the answer. > what's the worry exactly? > I don't understand Bit Torrent and I don't want to open up my computer to the net. Opening up my disk space on my hosting provider, no problem. > its great if you have huge monthly bandwidth and storage... > but as Eric Rice admits....you can never... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 18, 2004 | Post #1399 | Topic #1389

> I'm not sure that my cable modem provider allows use of computers > connected to the net to be servers. huh, id like someone to answer this. my cable company gives me an always-on connection. could they stop me from sharing files...as long as they are not copyrighted? >Now that there are 100's of podcasts, I find it overwhelming to think >about sampling these new shows. you speak the rtruth. i spent the better part of the day using iPodder to download everything and listen. most of it sucked. this sounds like the problem we have in Community TV.... a person can put anything on TV..but its so much freedom...that most of it sucks. YET the point is that people are making the media. adam curry, i listen to everyday becasue he's consistently good. he's having a conversation with us. conversations. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Rick B. Rey | "Rick B. Rey" <rick@...> | vivarey
October 18, 2004 | Post #1400 | Topic #1389

> my cable company gives me an always-on connection. > could they stop me from sharing files...as long as they are not > copyrighted? Some providers are starting to put a cap on the amount of data you can transfer per month (e.g. 25-30GB). > i spent the better part of the day using iPodder to download > everything and listen. > most of it sucked. This is an important point. We can learn a lesson from this. If podcasters are more concerned about technology and ease of use than content, people will lose internet and the trend will die. Don't let that happen to us. We should think beyond the technology and focus on content issues too. Video has an advantage over audio. It's more engaging. People consume it more readily. Podcasting is a stepping stone to videoblogging. The bandwidth is there. The storage capacity is there. Compression technologies are there. But, we still need to tackle fundamental issues. e.g. What makes a "good" video blog? Why are we drawn to it? What can we offer that people can't get from other mediums? How should we organize our videos? How should we package them? How should we distribute them? From what I've read, a lot of progress has already been made in these areas. But as someone who's still new to all this, I'm still struggling with a very basic problem: I don't know which direction to take with... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
October 18, 2004 | Post #1401 | Topic #1389

On 18/10/2004, at 4:46 PM, Rick B. Rey wrote: > Video has an advantage over audio. It's more engaging. People consume > it > more readily. Podcasting is a stepping stone to videoblogging. The > bandwidth is there. The storage capacity is there. Compression > technologies are there. But, we still need to tackle fundamental > issues. not really. but yes :-) remember I can listen to audio while walking, cycling, driving, cooking, cleaning, etc. whereas video requires all of my attention. not many people will watch a 40 minute vogcast because most of us don't have 40 minutes available. cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
October 18, 2004 | Post #1402 | Topic #1389

On 18/10/2004, at 4:46 PM, Rick B. Rey wrote: > From what I've read, a lot of progress has already been made in these > areas. But as someone who's still new to all this, I'm still struggling > with a very basic problem: I don't know which direction to take with my > video blog. I know that I WANT to broadcast, but I'm not sure exactly > WHAT > I want to broadcast. I suspect other people have the same problem. > 1. video production is now as cheap as chips 2. so don't be precious about it. 3. because entries are now sketches, not finished works 4. so experiment to find your voice 5. include yourself 6. and anything else you have someting intelligent to say about 7. use the camera and editing 8. put it out there, get a theme going, let people in,. cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
October 18, 2004 | Post #1403 | Topic #1389

On 18/10/2004, at 3:34 PM, Jay dedman wrote: > huh, id like someone to answer this. > my cable company gives me an always-on connection. > could they stop me from sharing files...as long as they are not > copyrighted? yes, most isp's constrain the amount you can send back up channel. In australia you generally can't serve (via http for eg) via your cable service. if you do that they treat you as 'commercial' (yet another instance of the telco's complete misreading of network technologies). no idea what thhey're going to do about torrents and podcasting, but you don't get same back up as down and usually there are limits. cheers Adrian Miles +++++++++++++++++++++ http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] what the audio people are doing….

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 18, 2004 | Post #1405 | Topic #1389

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:13:51 -0400, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote: > some of you may be keeping an eye on what Adam Curry et al are doing > in the audio world. > they are "podcasting". You always beat me to posting. I heard my first Podcast shows Saturday and today I wrote a bit on why Podcasting sucks. It sucks for the same reasons videoblogging sucks so it's not all bad. Pocasting sucks because it doesn't try to be more than radio in the same way videoblogging sucks because it doesn't try to be more than tv. Read the whole blog entry at: <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20041018-1120/&gt; - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Adam Curry doesn't suck.

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
October 18, 2004 | Post #1406 | Topic #1389

On Oct 18, 2004, at 5:27 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: > Pocasting sucks because it > doesn't try to be more than radio in the same way videoblogging sucks > because it doesn't try to be more than tv. Adam Curry doesn't suck. As he says on his podcast, he's not sitting in a soundproof room giving us a sanitized radio show. It's real. If you listened to his show, you'd see how different it really is. It's blog-like in the way Adam interacts with listeners using emails, audio messages and even videos. By being a time shifted podcast, it's more than radio, since I can listen to it whenever I want. I'm already a TiVo fanatic. Podcasting allows me to enjoy more audio programs than I'd normally listen to. I love it! --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Eric Botticelli | "Eric Botticelli" <eric9897@...> | eric9897
October 18, 2004 | Post #1411 | Topic #1389

> not really. but yes :-) > > remember I can listen to audio while walking, cycling, driving, > cooking, cleaning, etc. whereas video requires all of my attention. not > many people will watch a 40 minute vogcast because most of us don't > have 40 minutes available. > I believe the average time spent in front of the tv is 4 hours? [View]



Re: [videoblogging] what the audio people are doing….

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 18, 2004 | Post #1413 | Topic #1389

>Videoblogging has the exact same 'problem' =E2=80=94 it too has not embrac= ed the hypermedia nature >of the world wide web. The difference is that por= table tvs has never been widespread so people >haven't mistaken videobloggi= ng for amatuer tv yet. This is what Adrian Miles mean when he >claims that = A vog is not streaming video (this is not the reinvention of television) an= d a part of A >vog is a video blog where video in a blog must be more than = video in a blog. See, you and Adrian have spoken of this before. and I hav= e seen Adrian's videos where they're interactive...but is that it? its cool= ....but im not sure how much better this is from straight up storytelling. = id really like to see more examples of what youre talking about when you sa= y "hypermedia nature". sure many of us videobloggers are basically making = "TV"....sequential images....but its the content that's important. maybe we= just havent taken enough chances with content. everyone's a little shy and= learning, figuring out the audience..... i guess this is the question: --= are we trying to create something new in videoblogs(can we?). --or are we j= ust making the publishing and distribution open to the public in a way that= has never been possible. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Pioneering stuff

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
October 18, 2004 | Post #1415 | Topic #1389

On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Jay dedman wrote: > i guess this is the question: > --are we trying to create something new in videoblogs(can we?). > --or are we just making the publishing and distribution open to the > public in a way that has never been possible. Yes. I think we are doing both. You promote people shooting video of their lives and sharing it. Something new would be an interactive video where viewers can watch the video AND take advantage of web features such as hyperlinks and text. A friend of mine, Ravi Jain, made a web based sitcom called Three Abreast which had these features. It was written up in SF GATE: "Each show runs just eight minutes, which means the average cubicle dweller could easily sneak in a show during a coffee or lunch break. But more significantly, Jain has created what he calls the "Comedy Extender," a cyber version of VH1's "Pop-Up Video" that runs onscreen beside the show to give viewers a chance to digest obscure pop-culture references, click on other related sites, learn more about the actors and even view storyboards and scripts." Episodes are no longer online, http://three-abreast.com/ , but he is planning on bringing them back. The cool thing about the hows was that when he referenced something in the sitcom, information and a link would pop up in a window that was right along side the video.... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 18, 2004 | Post #1416 | Topic #1389

> > remember I can listen to audio while walking, cycling, driving, > > cooking, cleaning, etc. whereas video requires all of my attention. not > > many people will watch a 40 minute vogcast because most of us don't > > have 40 minutes available. > > > > I believe the average time spent in front of the tv is 4 hours? see, i think we must put this in context. I wouldnt watch a 40 minute videoblog on my computer. when im online....i want to MOVE and answer meial and research stuff. BUT if we can figure out a way to get our videoblogs on TV, then its another ballgame. when i watch TV, Im the most open Ill be all day. Im ready to follow anything. so i think Adrian and andreas are talking about right NOW...videoblogs/vogs/vlogs/vblogs are just a fun way to experiment. but some of us are practicing for when we can co-opt the TV experience. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: you keep the file that you want to share using BitTorrent

By Joshua Kinberg | Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> | joshkinberg
October 18, 2004 | Post #1421 | Topic #1389

To me, content is less important. Maybe that's because I'm not actually an active videoblogger at the moment (but as Adam Curry has shown, this is where "users and developers can party together" :-) I believe there are a million creative people out there who can make great videos! That will happen and people will watch if we can make it easier to publish and distribute video in this format. Video production is getting easier all the time (equipment is cheaper, etc), but, the barriers for distribution are getting higher all the time -- there are now only a handful of companies that control almost everything that goes on TV. So, a lot of us want to use video to communicate, tell stories, etc, but most of us don't have access to an outlet for distribution. However, the web is fast becoming this distribution channel that is open to all -- big companies and creative individuals alike. People have been talking about this for a long time, but its only now starting to come together. Blogging is a natural fit because it has built in tools for relatively easy publishing and distribution based on open standards (RSS, etc). Plus, the very nature of the Web makes it possible to spread ideas far and fast -- links, comments, trackbacks, searches/meta-data, pinging/notifications, etc... These things are out there, but we have to assemble the pieces and cobble them together to make it... [View]