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Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Joshua Kinberg | Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> | joshkinberg
October 18, 2004 | Post #1425 | Topic #1425

I'm testing a new version of ViPodder written in Perl, modified from Dave Slusher's "get_enclosures.pl" Is anyone syndicating their videoblogs currently with RSS 2.0 + enclosures? I need a good feed for testing. --Josh [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 18, 2004 | Post #1426 | Topic #1425

> Is anyone syndicating their videoblogs currently with RSS 2.0 + > enclosures? I need a good feed for testing. i dont even know how to publish my video blog with enclosures. is it easy? is there a way to get our RSS feed from http://videoblogging.info to create enclosures for us just by pinging the site? [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
October 18, 2004 | Post #1428 | Topic #1425

--Apple-Mail-1--411397294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Jay Your Powell video showed up as an enclosure in the demandmedia.net R= SS feed. Just to let you know. Chris On Oct 18, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Jay d= edman wrote: > > Is anyone syndicating their videoblogs currently with RSS= 2.0 + > > enclosures? I need a good feed for testing. > > i dont even kn= ow how to publish my video blog with enclosures. > is it easy? > > is the= re a way to get our RSS feed from http://videoblogging.info to > create en= closures for us just by pinging the site? > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > >= ADVERTISEMENT > <lrec_companion_043004.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Li= nks > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.= com/group/videoblogging/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, sen= d an email to: > videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Y= our use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > = --Apple-Mail-1--411397294 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Jay Your Powell video showed up as an enclosure in the demandmedia.net= RSS feed. Just to let you know. Chris On Oct 18, 2004, at 9:55 PM, J= ay dedman wrote: <excerpt><fixed>> Is anyone syndicating their videoblogs= currently with RSS 2.0 +</fixed> <fixed> > enclosures? I need a good feed= for testing.</fixed> <fixed> i dont... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 19, 2004 | Post #1430 | Topic #1425

cool. see, Alan(who runs demand media) somehow takes our feeds and makes th= em into eclosures. i dont want to ahve to think abotu it. must be a way to = get that stuff automated for us. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:01:26 -0400, Chri= stopher Weagel <humandog@...> wrote: > > > Jay > > Your Powell v= ideo showed up as an enclosure in the demandmedia.net RSS > feed. > Just to= let you know. > > Chris > > > > > On Oct 18, 2004, at 9:55 PM, Jay de= dman wrote: > > > > Is anyone syndicating their videoblogs currently with = RSS 2.0 + > > > enclosures? I need a good feed for testing. > > > > i don= t even know how to publish my video blog with enclosures. > > is it easy? = > > > > is there a way to get our RSS feed from http://videoblogging.info = to > > create enclosures for us just by pinging the site? > > > > > > > > = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > <lrec_companion_043004.gif>= > > <l.gif> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > =E2=80=A2 To v= isit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videob= logging/ > > > > =E2=80=A2 To unsubscribe from this group, s= end an email to: > > videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2004 | Post #1443 | Topic #1425

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:55:34 -0400, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote: > i dont even know how to publish my video blog with enclosures. > is it easy? With Typepad? Not possible right now as far as I know. > is there a way to get our RSS feed from http://videoblogging.info to > create enclosures for us just by pinging the site? Yes, and no. If (when?) I extend the videoblogging.info interface so that it accepts RSS+enlosures it's not a problem, but many people (like those on Typepad) can't send RSS+enclosures so that's not an option for them. I could add this pretty easily, but we'd end up with half the entries with enclosures, half without. With more work I can have videoblogging.info look for video files in the HTML blog entry, but that opens up a huge can of worms. Take a random blog entry from momentshowing. On that HTML-page there are two videos, your videoblog video and the vogroll. I need to find the videoblog video, *not* the vogroll or any video you're simply linking to. With entries such as <URL:http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2004/10/lets_go_bowling.html&gt; we can get around the problem by marking the video in the same way you would mark up a video for use in video comments. By adding rel="alternate" and type="video/quicktime" to the <a>-tag. But with entries such as <URL:http://momentshowing.typepad.com/momentshowing/2004/10/video_get_your_.html&gt; where the entry is both a video and some text there is currently no way to mark up... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Lisa Harper | Lisa Harper <lisah2u@...> | lisah2u
October 20, 2004 | Post #1445 | Topic #1425

Feedster is using video enclosures now: http://www.feedster.com/more.php The've also got BitTorrent enclosures, pictures, audio, etc. Lisa On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:37:21 +0200, Andreas Haugstrup <videoblog@...> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:55:34 -0400, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> > wrote: > > > i dont even know how to publish my video blog with enclosures. > > is it easy? > > With Typepad? Not possible right now as far as I know. > > > is there a way to get our RSS feed from http://videoblogging.info to > > create enclosures for us just by pinging the site? > > Yes, and no. If (when?) I extend the videoblogging.info interface so that > it accepts RSS+enlosures it's not a problem, but many people (like those > on Typepad) can't send RSS+enclosures so that's not an option for them. I > could add this pretty easily, but we'd end up with half the entries with > enclosures, half without. > > With more work I can have videoblogging.info look for video files in the > HTML blog entry, but that opens up a huge can of worms. Take a random blog > entry from momentshowing. On that HTML-page there are two videos, your > videoblog video and the vogroll. I need to find the videoblog video, *not* > the vogroll or any video you're simply linking to. > > With entries such as > <URL:http://publicaddress.typepad.com/hello/2004/10/lets_go_bowling.html&gt; > we can get... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Joshua Kinberg | Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> | joshkinberg
October 20, 2004 | Post #1446 | Topic #1425

> we'd end up with half the entries with > enclosures, half without. Half is better than none. I don't think there'es any rule in RSS 2.0 that specifies if you use enclosures that they have to be in every <item>. Am I wrong here? > With more work I can have videoblogging.info look for video files in the > HTML blog entry, but that opens up a huge can of worms. Take a random blog > entry from momentshowing. On that HTML-page there are two videos, your > videoblog video and the vogroll. I need to find the videoblog video, *not* > the vogroll or any video you're simply linking to. Couldn't you have it look for video files in the blog entry -- not the HTML page of that entry's permalink. That's how Brandon Fuller's MT-Enclosures plugin works for MovableType, more or less. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how Pings work? But, if the blog is publishing an RSS feed with full entries (not excerpts), then you could probably scrape the <description> of each <item> and look for links to video files that you would translate into a new feed with enclosures. That's probably how the Feedster media feed works. --Josh On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:37:21 +0200, Andreas Haugstrup <videoblog@...> wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:55:34 -0400, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> > wrote: > > > i dont even know how to publish my video blog with... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2004 | Post #1447 | Topic #1425

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:00:09 -0400, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> wrote: >> we'd end up with half the entries with >> enclosures, half without. > > Half is better than none. Half is worse than none. It's misleading when you have a feed that's supposed to contain videos. Either there will be enclosures for every item, or there won't be enclosures at all. It's not cool for those who can't get their videos in the enclosures (because people with enclosure-supporting aggregators would easily miss their videos). > Couldn't you have it look for video files in the blog entry -- not the > HTML page of that entry's permalink. That's how Brandon Fuller's > MT-Enclosures plugin works for MovableType, more or less. I couldn't but it's a very bad solution. It would be impossible to distinguish these links: <a href="movie.mov">Watch my video</a> <a href="http://www.domain.com/movie.mov">Watch my video that I hosted somewhere else</a> <a href="http://www.anotherdomain.com/movie.mov">Watch this cool movie my friend made</a> The first two should be included in enclosures, the last one shouldn't (because it's just a normal link). If that's how Brandon Fuller's plugin works it's not a very cool plugin. I don't want my photos/movies distributed directly in someone else's feed just because they linked to me. - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Joshua Kinberg | Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> | joshkinberg
October 20, 2004 | Post #1448 | Topic #1425

> Either there will be enclosures for every > item, or there won't be enclosures at all. It's not cool for those who > can't get their videos in the enclosures (because people with > enclosure-supporting aggregators would easily miss their videos). This certainly makes sense for the videoblogging.info feed. But, for my own blog, I may not have a video included with every entry. Some entries may be just text, or other stuff. So, it would make sense to only use enclosures where appropriate. > The first two should be included in enclosures, the last one shouldn't > (because it's just a normal link). If that's how Brandon Fuller's plugin > works it's not a very cool plugin. I don't want my photos/movies > distributed directly in someone else's feed just because they linked to me. This is a good point. So I checked the documentation on the plugin here: http://brandon.fuller.name/archives/hacks/mtenclosures/ He actually added a "remote" parameter: "Remote vs. local is determined by comparing the URL of the enclosure file with the URL of your weblog from your weblog's configuration" There's also a Pinging feature that pings audio.weblogs.com when you post an audio file, or podcast. --Josh On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:16:08 +0200, Andreas Haugstrup <videoblog@...> wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:00:09 -0400, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> > wrote: > > >> we'd end up with half the entries with > >> enclosures, half without. >... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2004 | Post #1449 | Topic #1425

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:36:50 -0400, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@...> wrote: > This certainly makes sense for the videoblogging.info feed. But, for > my own blog, I may not have a video included with every entry. Some > entries may be just text, or other stuff. So, it would make sense to > only use enclosures where appropriate. Yes, yes, of course. I was only talking about the feed at videoblogging.info. > He actually added a "remote" parameter: > "Remote vs. local is determined by comparing the URL of the enclosure > file with the URL of your weblog from your weblog's configuration" I considered that a long time ago, but it won't work. Many (myself included) have the video files hosted on a different server than the weblog because of the size of the files. - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 20, 2004 | Post #1453 | Topic #1425

> With more work I can have videoblogging.info look for video files in the > HTML blog entry, but that opens up a huge can of worms. Take a random blog > entry from momentshowing. On that HTML-page there are two videos, your > videoblog video and the vogroll. I need to find the videoblog video, *not* > the vogroll or any video you're simply linking to. I just got to meet with Josh Kinsberg who was teaching me about RSS/enclosures/torrents. he created the viPodder script. we were looking at the RSS feed on enclosures, and undersatnd the difficulties... also, the worry about someone pinging videos that do not belong to him...deeplinking. what if we wrote into the RSS feed...a way to make the video an enclosure ONLY if it comes from the site that's pinging it. and if the vogroll is the only thing complicating each of my permalinks...ill take it out. Josh said he'd be willing to look at the code you have and see if he could fool with it. on videoblogging.info, your pingback system is a complete success. we're starting to gather a lot of videos. if someone made a player (like viPodder) that grabbed automatic enclosures....it'd be much easier to view all the videos at once. we'd be like a TV channel. now whether you like this idea or not is a different story...... Jay [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2004 | Post #1454 | Topic #1425

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:33:47 -0400, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote: > what if we wrote into the RSS feed...a way to make the video an > enclosure ONLY if it comes from the site that's pinging it. That's a problem because some people host their video files on a different server than their main domain (because videos take up a lot of space and bandwidth it can be nice to have them seperate). You would effectively shut out those people, and that's not cool. > and if the vogroll is the only thing complicating each of my > permalinks...ill take it out. That was just an example of a general principle. Tomorrow it'll be another embedded or linked video. It's a principal problem, not a practical one. > Josh said he'd be willing to look at the code you have and see if he > could fool with it. The writing of the code is not hard at all - working out the problem is the hard part. If he's got any suggestions I love to hear them. I've given all this a lot of thought already (since before I even started coding anything on videoblogging.info). > on videoblogging.info, your pingback system is a complete success. > we're starting to gather a lot of videos. > if someone made a player (like viPodder) that grabbed automatic > enclosures....it'd be much easier to view all the videos at once. >... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Anyone using an RSS 2.0 feed with enclosures?

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
October 20, 2004 | Post #1455 | Topic #1425

> Right now, with the blogs people have right now, we would only get > reliable enclosures from blogs that publish RSS+enclosures already. Are > there even anyone on the list who publish with enclosures? With all other > blogs videos need to marked up like they have to be for video comments > (I'm not going to repeat the syntax once again). hopefully, Josh will jump in here about the RSS feeds finding the right video for enclosures... and i need to research about the drain on bandwidth. right now, none of use have enclosures. im still unclear how i would make it happen alone. (i know typepad doesnt let me) and where are we with video comments? we ever figure out why it just constantly buffers? http://www.solitude.dk/ping/client.php [View]



Calling Quicktime Experts

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2004 | Post #1456 | Topic #1425

> hopefully, Josh will jump in here about the RSS feeds finding the > right video for enclosures... Just to clarify: The RSS isn't finding anything. RSS is a transport format nothing else. It's all about authors writing good HTML (and it's all about finding out what good HTML is). > and where are we with video comments? > we ever figure out why it just constantly buffers? > http://www.solitude.dk/ping/client.php I totally forgot about that. If there are any Quicktime experts out there I would love some help. The video-commenting thingie creates a SMIL list now, but it won't play the actualy videos. It just keeps buffering forever. Both Jay and I have the problem. You can check it out for yourself at <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ping/client.php?method=pingback.extensions.getPingbacks&target=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solitude.dk%2Farchives%2F20040926-1712%2F&source=&getContent=on&result=SMIL&submit=Make+Request&gt; Or if you want to see a sample SMIL file: <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/stuff/smilExample.txt&gt; When this problem is solved we have a working video commenting system. Well, a happy text, audio *and* video commenting system. Why limit ourselves to video comments when we can get everything. - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]