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reality check?

By leslye james | leslye james <leslye.penelope@...> | phatalspin
July 13, 2005 | Post #16672 | Topic #16672

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Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Devlon | Devlon <duthied@...> | duthied2004
July 13, 2005 | Post #16676 | Topic #16672

Surely you aren't talking about mine, watching me try to flip a cigarette i= nto my mouth is rivetting material. :) lol. I post because I like playing= with video and now I am getting hooked on the journal aspect of it. I lov= e it when something I have posted gets comments, good or bad. But I certai= nly do know that what I think is interesting isn't interesting to anyone el= se. So, on that note...bring on the comments!! On 7/13/05, leslye james <= leslye.penelope@...> wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. > > The= re I said it. And something similar to that statement usually ends up > in= most of the press coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get upset >= about that. Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach > bri= lliance and some are mediocre and most are just too freaking long. Some > = of mine are probably boring. Is there anyone here who doesn't scroll > thr= ough some percentage of the videos they watch because they don't hold > the= ir attention? There's no reason to get riled up about it. Making > watcha= ble video can be a challenge. That's why people go to school to be > cinem= atographers, editors, directors etc. Accept the criticism and learn > fro= m it. Or ignore it and keep doing what you're doing. Whatever. But why >= argue against an obvious... [View]



Re: reality check?

By v1b3n | "v1b3n" <v1b3n@...> | v1b3n
July 13, 2005 | Post #16677 | Topic #16672

Interesting comments, The video blog that interested me the most before I joined this group was from treasureoutfitters.com Some may see it boring, I thought the idea was executed very well. It's niche market content, and I hope they do well with what they do. I don't even have any interest in that stuff, but found it very informative. Expect to see more of this type of niche content with vblogs very very soon. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leslye james <leslye.penelope@g...> wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. > > There I said it. And something similar to that statement usually ends up in > most of the press coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get upset > about that. Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach brilliance > and some are mediocre and most are just too freaking long. Some of mine are > probably boring. Is there anyone here who doesn't scroll through some > percentage of the videos they watch because they don't hold their attention? > There's no reason to get riled up about it. Making watchable video can be a > challenge. That's why people go to school to be cinematographers, editors, > directors etc. Accept the criticism and learn from it. Or ignore it and keep > doing what you're doing. Whatever. But why argue against an obvious fact? Do > you think that if you admit that every videoblog isn't a masterpeice that... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Stephanie Bryant | Stephanie Bryant <mortaine@...> | mortaine
July 13, 2005 | Post #16681 | Topic #16672

Mine are absolutely mind-numbing sometimes, but then, each entry is part of= a larger whole, part of the whole year-long project. It's a rarity that I = create one that is really neat-o, and when I do, I'm so excited about it, I= can barely keep it in. --Stephanie On 7/13/05, leslye james <leslye.pene= lope@...> wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. > > There I said it. = And something similar to that statement usually ends up in > most of the p= ress coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get upset > about that. = Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach > brilliance and so= me are mediocre and most are just too freaking long. -- Stephanie Bryan= t mortaine@... http://www.mortaine.com [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By leslye james | leslye james <leslye.penelope@...> | phatalspin
July 13, 2005 | Post #16680 | Topic #16672

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Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Pete Prodoehl | Pete Prodoehl <raster@...> | raster
July 13, 2005 | Post #16687 | Topic #16672

leslye james wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. > > There I said it. And something similar to that statement usually ends up in > most of the press coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get upset > about that. Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach brilliance > and some are mediocre and most are just too freaking long. Some of mine are > probably boring. Is there anyone here who doesn't scroll through some > percentage of the videos they watch because they don't hold their attention? > There's no reason to get riled up about it. Making watchable video can be a > challenge. That's why people go to school to be cinematographers, editors, > directors etc. Accept the criticism and learn from it. Or ignore it and keep > doing what you're doing. Whatever. But why argue against an obvious fact? Do > you think that if you admit that every videoblog isn't a masterpeice that > will somehow stymie the movement? I just don't get it. Fascinating! Here's my take: Some *things* are boring. There. I said it. Come on, no one expects you to read every magazine, or watch every television show, or see every movie, or read every blog, or watch every videoblog. You consume what interests you. What interests you is probably different from what interests me. Your post has nothing to do with videoblogs and has everything to do... [View]



Re: reality check?

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
July 13, 2005 | Post #16688 | Topic #16672

I agree, not least because different people are interested in different things, its the potential scope/variety of videoblogging that I am attracted to. I posted to this list not that long ago that I long for more shows on specific topics because personally Im not overly interested in blogs and videoblogs that are purely personal things, I want more knowledge based content. But its just my personal preference as a viewer, Im not asking anybody to change what they do. I think it is important that we can ascknowledge that criticisms of videoblogs along the boring/amateurish lines are not invalid. There is an overlapping issue of people suspecting that some criticism from big media & professionals may be sponsored by fear/protecting their ownjob/the status quo, which will be the case sometimes but not always. Podcasts tend to bore me 1000x more than videoblogs because even though more of them are more specific, they tend to be too long. Cheers Steve of Elbows PS Thanks all for the spacebar advise, its a Mac and im getting better at coping with pasting now. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leslye james <leslye.penelope@g...> wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. > > There I said it. And something similar to that statement usually ends up in > most of the press coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get upset > about that. Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach brilliance > and some are mediocre... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By leslye james | leslye james <leslye.penelope@...> | phatalspin
July 13, 2005 | Post #16689 | Topic #16672

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Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By duncan speakman | duncan speakman <duncan.kleindesign@...> | kleindesign
July 13, 2005 | Post #16691 | Topic #16672

i agree with lesleys point about many of them being too long... PEOPLE!!!= GEt INTO EDITING, EVEN IF IT"S JUST TRIMMING!!! you know the whole pictu= re paints a thousand words.. 15 pictures per second !?! 5 min vlog?!! t= hats a lot of words in anyones blog!!! d [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Devlon | Devlon <duthied@...> | duthied2004
July 13, 2005 | Post #16694 | Topic #16672

:) Thanks Leslye. It's legit. The one thing I couldn't fake was that su= rprised look on my face when it did work. It still makes us giggle. On 7/= 13/05, leslye james <leslye.penelope@...> wrote: > i post for much t= he same reason. and i know that not everyone is going to > care or be inte= rested, but for those that are, that's cool too. > > and that video is t= otally not boring IMO. btw - when you finally made it > at first i thought= you reversed video of you dropping the cigarette out of > your mouth, but = i was rooting for you :) > > > > On 7/13/05, Devlon <duthied@...= > wrote: > > Surely you aren't talking about mine, watching me try to flip = a > > cigarette into my mouth is rivetting material. :) lol. > > > > I po= st because I like playing with video and now I am getting hooked > > on the= journal aspect of it. I love it when something I have posted > > gets com= ments, good or bad. But I certainly do know that what I think > > is inter= esting isn't interesting to anyone else. > > > > So, on that note...bring = on the comments!! > > > > > > -- > http://www.phatalspin.com/vlog > = > ________________________________ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > >... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Kevin Buckstiegel | Kevin Buckstiegel <kevin@...> | vectorlime
July 13, 2005 | Post #16696 | Topic #16672

--B_3204119529_6433657 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I look at it from a artsy fartsy view. Some people like what they see and o= ther=B9s look at the same piece and think it is total crap. The most import= ant thing to me is that =8Cyou=B9 are doing it! So many people are not. Fur= thermore, some of my favorite blogs are the boring ones, because they might= not have direct content, nothing important said except some ramblings and = then, spontaneously, there is that certain pause or facial expression that = makes the entire blog. You sometimes have to look for these things, but the= y are usually brilliant in their own right. I hate to see anyone reduce blo= gging because they are afraid, in the back of their minds, that it might be= boring and nobody will like it. Do it for yourself and not the viewers. Pe= ople don=B9t have to subscribe. The day that this goes away will be horribl= e, for that is what videoblogging means to me as a viewer. I guess I alway= s worry of too many rules popping up and/or people worrying about the conte= nt they make on a video blog might not be interesting. Definitely going to = scare away the newbies from even trying. Just my opinion, I=B9ll go back t= o lurking now. Kev! blog.lgt2.com --B_3204119529_6433657 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [videoblogging] reality check?</TITLE>... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Bohus Blahut | Bohus Blahut <bohus@...> | blackhula
July 13, 2005 | Post #16697 | Topic #16672

Clint Sharp wrote: >I think what people object to generally is the generalization of >videoblogs as boring, not saying that particular entries or particular >authors are boring. > I'm glad that this issue has come up as it's something I've faced in another phase of my life, that of watching old home movies. I've collected home movies (referring of course to actual "film" like Super 8 and 16mm, rather than home videos) for years and years, and I've always enjoyed watching them. I've had screenings of my favorites at parties, and more often than not someone poo-poo's home movies as "boring". Perhaps I'm not as easily bored as other folks, but home movies are so short it doesn't seem worth getting bored over (if that makes any sense). One of the best things about home movies from a content perspective is that because the camera only held about three minutes of film, and was a bit pricey, home movie makers had to be economical with their shots. Very seldom have a I found a home movie that's actually edited after the fact, but often they don't need that much editing - all of the editing happened in the camera. When video took over, people started shooting interminable home movies. With two hours of tape being so cheap, lots of people didn't think to edit in-camera anymore. The same thing is happening with digital video. When all of these prior limits... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] reality check?

By Devlon | Devlon <duthied@...> | duthied2004
July 13, 2005 | Post #16698 | Topic #16672

I'd like to add to this. I love the fact that the vlogs are _real_ about r= eal people, doing what they would do. Or doing what they think is interest= ing. Successes and failures, good and bad. I feel that big-media only sho= ws what they feel will get and keep an audience. They don't show the somet= imes boring reality. That would cause people to change to a different stai= on and lose them advertising revenue. To restrict ourselves to post only w= hat we think people will want to see is self-censorship based on an perceiv= ed audience's likes and dis-likes. Not far off from big-media. Sure there= are boring blogs, but like several have said, it's the little things, the = reality of the person, the facial expressions. I watched a great vlog abou= t a slug (http://www.leanbackvids.com/videoblog/animals/slimy-salty-slug/).= A plain ole slimy slug sliming it's way along set to a great Nine Inch Na= ils tune. Boring, maybe, but I loved it. It's real. I can't see Fox news= broadcasting this. But we do. That's one thing that is so great about th= is movement. Post the good, the bad, the boring, the failure, the screw-up= s, the mumbled speech, you name it. Hell, we posted a vlog with nothing bu= t signs for the dialogue that wouldn've been there....and had great time d= oing it. (he steps of the soapbox) On 7/13/05, Kevin Buckstiegel <kevin@l=... [View]



Re: reality check?

By Adam Kontras | "Adam Kontras" <adamazon@...> | adam4tvs
July 13, 2005 | Post #16701 | Topic #16672

I tackled this in this entry: http://www.4tvs.com/Journey/yearsix/entries/J436-070705.html - (scroll past the instant message uber-drama)... ...and of course completely make fun of it in that entry's video: http://www.4tvs.com/media/journey/yearsix/436.wmv I think once people get over the "coolness" of the whole thing (something that happened to me in my first month in late 1999) the focus shifts to thinking about the people actually watching the videos. ...but finally, some people aren't entertainers. Bottom line. Adam --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leslye james <leslye.penelope@g...> wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. > > There I said it. And something similar to that statement usually ends up in > most of the press coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get upset > about that. Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach brilliance > and some are mediocre and most are just too freaking long. Some of mine are > probably boring. Is there anyone here who doesn't scroll through some > percentage of the videos they watch because they don't hold their attention? > There's no reason to get riled up about it. Making watchable video can be a > challenge. That's why people go to school to be cinematographers, editors, > directors etc. Accept the criticism and learn from it. Or ignore it and keep > doing what you're doing. Whatever. But why argue against an obvious fact? Do > you think that if you admit that every videoblog isn't a masterpeice that > will... [View]



Re: reality check?

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | ericrice
July 13, 2005 | Post #16707 | Topic #16672

Boring to whom, again? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leslye james <leslye.penelope@g...> wrote: > Some videoblogs are boring. [View]



Re: reality check?

By jonny goldstein | "jonny goldstein" <spamjonny@...> | jonnygoldstein
July 13, 2005 | Post #16708 | Topic #16672

Hahahahahahaha! Funny video. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Kontras" <adamazon@4...> wrote: > I tackled this in this entry: > > http://www.4tvs.com/Journey/yearsix/entries/J436-070705.html - > (scroll past the instant message uber-drama)... > > ...and of course completely make fun of it in that entry's video: > > http://www.4tvs.com/media/journey/yearsix/436.wmv > > I think once people get over the "coolness" of the whole thing > (something that happened to me in my first month in late 1999) the > focus shifts to thinking about the people actually watching the > videos. > > ...but finally, some people aren't entertainers. Bottom line. > > Adam > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leslye james > <leslye.penelope@g...> wrote: > > Some videoblogs are boring. > > > > There I said it. And something similar to that statement usually > ends up in > > most of the press coverage on vlogging. And inevitably people get > upset > > about that. Why? It's true. Some videos are boring. Some approach > brilliance > > and some are mediocre and most are just too freaking long. Some of > mine are > > probably boring. Is there anyone here who doesn't scroll through > some > > percentage of the videos they watch because they don't hold their > attention? > > There's no reason to get riled up about it. Making watchable video > can be a > > challenge. That's why people go to school to... [View]



Re: reality check?

By Pete Prodoehl | "Pete Prodoehl" <raster@...> | raster
July 13, 2005 | Post #16709 | Topic #16672

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon <duthied@g...> wrote: > I watched a great vlog about a slug > (http://www.leanbackvids.com/videoblog/animals/slimy-salty-slug/). A > plain ole slimy slug sliming it's way along set to a great Nine Inch > Nails tune. Boring, maybe, but I loved it. It's real. I can't see > Fox news broadcasting this. See, to you it might have been boring, but I've never seen one of those slugs in real life. I guess we don't have them in this part of the country, or the places I've traveled to so far. It was pretty damn cool to me to see a video of a slug. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future.. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: reality check?

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
July 13, 2005 | Post #16710 | Topic #16672

Great! On Jul 13, 2005, at 9:22 PM, jonny goldstein wrote: > Hahahahahahaha! Funny video. > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Kontras" <adamazon@4...> > wrote: >> >> ...and of course completely make fun of it in that entry's video: >> >> http://www.4tvs.com/media/journey/yearsix/436.wmv --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: reality check?

By Devlon | Devlon <duthied@...> | duthied2004
July 13, 2005 | Post #16711 | Topic #16672

That's the point I was trying to make...I guess I didn't do a very good job= of it. I really enjoyed the video. On 7/13/05, Pete Prodoehl <raster@gma= il.com> wrote: > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon <duthied@g..= .> wrote: > > I watched a great vlog about a slug > > > (http://www.leanb= ackvids.com/videoblog/animals/slimy-salty-slug/). > A > > plain ole slimy= slug sliming it's way along set to a great Nine Inch > > Nails tune. Bor= ing, maybe, but I loved it. It's real. I can't see > > Fox news broadcas= ting this. > > See, to you it might have been boring, but I've never see= n one of > those slugs in real life. I guess we don't have them in this pa= rt of > the country, or the places I've traveled to so far. It was pretty = damn > cool to me to see a video of a slug. > > Pete > > -- > http= ://tinkernet.org/ > videoblog for the future.. > > > > > ________= ________________________ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your = group "videoblogging" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, s= end an email to: > videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your = use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > ___= _____________________________ > -- ~Devlon Vlog: http://8bitme.blogspo= t.com Feed http://feeds.feedburner.com/ByteMe [View]



Re: reality check?

By Pete Prodoehl | "Pete Prodoehl" <raster@...> | raster
July 13, 2005 | Post #16713 | Topic #16672

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, leslye james <leslye.penelope@g...> wrote: > no it was really about the culture of the group that doesn't seem to be able > to take or accept criticism very well. that's all.... > > Your post has nothing to do with videoblogs and has everything to do > > with anything anyone creates... > > > > Pete Criticism? Fire away! Tell me how my videos suck, how my writing sucks, how every creative endeavor I take on just sucks... I don't do it for you, or to impress people. I do it because I can't *not* do it. If people enjoy the things I do, cool, great, it's a good day. If they don't, oh well, I still enjoyed doing it, and if I didn't I wouldn't. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future [View]