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Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Ed Yarrish | Ed Yarrish <ed.yarrish@...> |
November 17, 2004 | Post #1809 | Topic #1809

As I read the informative e-mails in this list and follow the suggested links that they often contain, I keep looking to increase my understanding of the uniqueness of this tool, and how that uniqueness helps to determine the best use of the tool. I appreciate, and learn from, the great creativity that many of you are exhibiting in the videos that you are making. I'm also looking to understand how video blogging empowers that creativity and is different from video that might simply be put on a CD and distributed in some other manner. Here are some of my impressions -- I would appreciate it if you would add to them, or correct them, based on your more extensive, hands-on experience: -- video blogging (in the context of the blog page, not the small video box) combines text, graphics, sound and moving images, to make it a unique, personally controlled medium. -- it potentially allows each of these mechanisms to be used together so that the most appropriate one can be used for a specific communication's element, for example, a Web site link works best in text while a graphic might give an image of the web page or a video image might convey the emotions and commitments behind an idea, while a text transcript might be more easily shared and passed on by the viewer/reader. (The bias in this discussion is definitely video, with little commentary yet about... [View]



Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By randomdevo | "randomdevo" <randomdevo@...> | randomdevo
November 17, 2004 | Post #1810 | Topic #1809

Aloha Ed, Interesting stuff...I have a couple of points to make here... 1. There is a more "intimate" and "human" element to video than to any other medium of communication. When we see someone's facial expressions and are able to actually see and "read" these expressions when they are speaking, something very fundamental to us as humans is triggered and we are somehow more able to identify with that person as another human being. Versus, say, simply using text or even images to convey that same message. 2. The use of the internet and video blogging has enabled us to create content with almost no "physical" medium! It's really amazing when you think about it. In posting your video to the web, there is almost no physical medium involved, it is almost a completely digital streaming workflow. I shoot the video, download it to a drive, edit, add music/effects, export as a quicktime, and upload it to a server. The only physical medium I have used is the tape I used to record onto, and I won't even have to do that soon. I could actually eliminate the tape today if I wanted to and just use the "capture now" function in Final Cut Pro to capture LIVE to DRIVE, but I like having things stored on a physical medium (it makes me feel kinda warm and fuzzy inside). So, in this sense it is way more practical than burning... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
November 18, 2004 | Post #1812 | Topic #1809

> -- blogging in most cases appears as a personal, journal type medium, > but a variety of group, or community, elements seem to have emerged as > secondary elements (feedback comments, blog roll, track back, ping, > etc.). I'm not sure if any of these are specifically impacted by > video, but I have noted the attempts by several people to create > individual video clips and have them linked together to produce one > longer video feed. This attempt feels like a search for another > community element to be added to the toolkit. First, I agree with Randy. video is just much more intimate....faces tell us everything. i lie through teeth here...but if you see me speak...youll know everything. but what you said above is important. videoblogging seems to be best when its personal. it feels uncomfortable to make..but i get the most compliments when im revealing...with style of course. and our group does seem to want to build togther...becasue a single videoblog is lonely. david Balcom sent me a great email last week where he noticed something similar to you: "You didn't mention blogs in your post, but I know your posse have adopted the videoblogger moniker, so just wanted to comment on that: this system isn't a blogging system, right? You're moving past the one-to-many world of blogging and into a collaborative shared space, more wiki in nature but with a more directed voice. I... [View]



Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
November 18, 2004 | Post #1813 | Topic #1809

> http://kenyattacheese.net/projects/vogbrowser/ This is fucking brilliant. It becomes SO much more enjoyable to browse videos. Wow. Wow. If it's functional, and I can subscribe to feeds (like Bloglines), I will definitely use it. I wrote this on the blog: "still an experiment: it pulls in videos through the RSS feeds of the videobloggers, and then lets you browse them. Videoblogging becomes more tv and less clicking around to see all of them. I have hopes for this - I think it will become an important element of the videoblogging ecology. Podcasting (pulling in audio files through enclosures) became the tipping point for audioblogging. RSS readers were not a tipping point but an important element of the textblogging thing. Maybe vbrowsers will turn out to be an important element of the videoblogging revolution. (Darn! I said the revolution word. Sorry.)" In short: I had been thinking about this for many months, now that I see it it clicks immediately. We need this. We need vogbrowsers. Videoblogbrowsers. Keep up the good work. It's brilliant. Peter (excited and haven't even had my coffee yet) [View]



Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
November 18, 2004 | Post #1814 | Topic #1809

Some more input about the language of videoblogging. THis discussion is great by the way, thanks for starting it. When Jay and I were talking about this videoblogging thing early this year, we felt finding the specific language, the specific strenghts of the medium was crucial. And we can only do this through experimenting. Anyways, so we have: - it's personal and emotional. If I meet a text blogger somewhere, I'll be like: do you have a blog? Oh, you're the guy from that blog! Nice to meet you. If I (ever) meet a videoblogger, I don't think I'll need much time to recognize them. And maybe the persona they've shown on their blog will be a true aspect of themselves, not like famous people you meet when you only know their "public" persona which gets in the way of getting to know them. - short tends to be good. - I had a rule: little or no editing. Maybe I'm just lazy, but a lot of the videoblog entries seem to be like that. Then again, some not. :) - Emotional part two: it's nice to see your friends acting out. - The group part is also interesting. I think we crave audience, which I think why the vogbrowser is such an important development. Cheers! P [View]



Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Deirdré Straughan | =?iso-8859-1?q?Deirdr=E9_Straughan?= <lists@...> | deirdrebs2002
November 18, 2004 | Post #1815 | Topic #1809

By these definitions, what I'm doing is not blogging. Or is it? My pieces = are short, only somewhat edited, and are embedded on pages with text and so= metimes photos. But they rarely show me, partly because I'm shy (in a weird= way) and don't like the sound of my own voice recorded. I am trying to us= e video to communicate my very personal experiences of the world around me,= in hopes that those experiences will be interesting to others. Perhaps I d= on't turn the camera on myself because I don't think my own face is all tha= t fascinating. Or perhaps I don't want you to know me *that* well. Hmm. I'l= l have to think about that. FWIW, since my videos are not posted on a real= block with comments and trackback capability, I'll be adding a comments li= nk to the bottom of each web page so people can email me, though I realize = that's not the same thing... best regards, Deirdr=E9 Straughan http://ww= w.straughan.com [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
November 18, 2004 | Post #1816 | Topic #1809

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:57:13 -0000, petertheman <peter@...> wrote: >> http://kenyattacheese.net/projects/vogbrowser/ > > This is fucking brilliant. It becomes SO much more enjoyable to browse > videos. Wow. Wow. If it's functional, and I can subscribe to feeds > (like Bloglines), I will definitely use it. Just to specify because I think Kenyatta's name is a bit misleading. What Kenyatta has made is an RSS aggregator that can display enclosed videos. It's not a "browser" in the sense that Internet Explorer is a browser. It's a "browser" in the sense that Bloglines is a blog-"browser". And that's how it should be. I like the interface of Kenyatta's project a lot. > In short: I had been thinking about this for many months, now that I > see it it clicks immediately. We need this. We need vogbrowsers. > Videoblogbrowsers. Keep up the good work. It's brilliant. I disagree. I need video capabilities in my RSS aggregator, and I need video capabilities in my browser. I already have video capabilities in my browser - it's my RSS aggregator that's lacking right now. Having a specialized "vogbrowser" would only limit how far videoblogs can spread. Why should I need three different browsers to look at the world wide web? No, the "browser" part is working (almost) just fine. I don't want to ever see a message when I'm trying to open a blog entry saying "Sorry, you need a vogbrowser to... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
November 18, 2004 | Post #1820 | Topic #1809

> >> http://kenyattacheese.net/projects/vogbrowser/ > > > > This is fucking brilliant. It becomes SO much more enjoyable to browse > > videos. Wow. Wow. If it's functional, and I can subscribe to feeds > > (like Bloglines), I will definitely use it. to andreas....i guess itd be nice to have Bloglines have a video viewer...but i think this is probably beyond our capabitlity. i like kenyatta's tool because its pure video....though brilliantly shows the entire text as well. if you havent noticed, relatively few companies are supporting video. Typepad still gives us 100MB for storage...(though they dont seem to care that Im 500% over my limit) they are not thinking video. we got to build our own stuff first. only ourmedia.org is looking to video as a real thing now. anyway, if you know PERL...kenyatta's looking for a little help. http://www.kenyattacheese.net/braintag/2004/11/15/vogbrowser_functionality_test_number_one.php theres still somem kinks to be worked out till the vogbrowser is ready. jay [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
November 18, 2004 | Post #1824 | Topic #1809

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:00:11 -0500, Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> wrote: > to andreas....i guess itd be nice to have Bloglines have a video > viewer...but i think this is probably beyond our capabitlity. > i like kenyatta's tool because its pure video....though brilliantly > shows the entire text as well. But Kenyatta's tool *is* Bloglines with video. :o) It takes (or will take when it's done) an RSS feed and displays the contents in the browser. I don't want to use a specialized RSS program for videos though. I'd end up having to use fifteen different RSS programs (one for text, one for video, one for audio, one for photos, one for spreadsheets, one for porn and so on). And that's not cool. Eric Rice's blog is the best example for this. Eric has a great blog where he integrates the different media seamlessly. When text is the best option he posts text, when radio is the best he post an audio entry, and when video works best he posts a video entry (Eric's blog is a role model to be followed). Where would his blog fit in? Not in the vog-rss-program, not in the audio-rss-program. I'd just like a link to an enclosed file in my RSS program. Then I could click that link and my computer would do the rest. Quicktime would open if it's a video entry, and winamp would open if it's an audio entry,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Jay dedman | Jay dedman <jay.dedman@...> | kinshasa2000
November 18, 2004 | Post #1825 | Topic #1809

> I'd just like a link to an enclosed file in my RSS program. Then I could > click that link and my computer would do the rest. Quicktime would open if > it's a video entry, and winamp would open if it's an audio entry, and > Excel would open if it's a spreadsheet entry. see, this just might be a differnce of opinion. i want to watch video at all one time. i get in a video mood. like TV (i know you hate the comparison to TV) i dont want to have to click on an encloure and wtach it in a seaprate window. I want to browse. This is what Kenyatta's tool does... i can browse through videos very quickly. scanning over the text as well.... so i guess our disagreement is with presentation. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
November 18, 2004 | Post #1826 | Topic #1809

On 18/11/2004, at 6:18 AM, Ed Yarrish wrote: > -- video blogging (in the context of the blog page, not the small > video box) combines text, graphics, sound and moving images, to make > it a unique, personally controlled medium. well that's only half of it. It *should* be "video that combines text, graphics, sound and moving images" all in the video itself. > > -- it potentially allows each of these mechanisms to be used together > so that the most appropriate one can be used for a specific > communication's element, for example, a Web site link works best in > text nonsense. Why do web sites use graphics as navigation devices then? :-) You can text links inside video, you can have embedded links (all or part of the video) that also take you somewhere else. All the vogs I made last year had a question makr in them, clicking that loaded a url. This was graphic, but it was inside the video. But you could just as easily have someone say "Like Ed said yesterday" and clicking then would take you to Ed's entry (or video) from yesterday... > while a graphic might give an image of the web page or a video > image might convey the emotions and commitments behind an idea, while > a text transcript might be more easily shared and passed on by the > viewer/reader. (The bias in this... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
November 18, 2004 | Post #1827 | Topic #1809

On 18/11/2004, at 11:23 AM, randomdevo wrote: i guess i'll apologise in advance. i'm an academic and so tend to go spare about generalisations. > There is a more "intimate" and "human" element to video than to any > other > medium of communication. touch, smell and taste are all much more intimate. and they communicate, usually unconsciously so they're much more powerful than our rational selves let on. so let's not reify this into something it isn't. > When we see someone's facial expressions and > are able to actually see and "read" these expressions when they are > speaking, something very fundamental to us as humans is triggered and > we > are somehow more able to identify with that person as another human > being. > Versus, say, simply using text or even images to convey that same > message. this seems to assume that videoblogging = talking heads. Why? What if your videoblogs never show people's facial expressions in the way this suggests? all i'm getting at is that there is value in the video part of videoblogging, that it is about showing parts of the world, but let's perhaps leave it at this almost documentary level (i've just finished a not very good essay on blogs and documentary btw, will be available in a couple of weeks). > > 2. The use of the internet and video blogging has enabled us to create > content... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
November 18, 2004 | Post #1828 | Topic #1809

On 18/11/2004, at 5:44 PM, Jay dedman wrote: > First, I agree with Randy. > video is just much more intimate....faces tell us everything. > i lie through teeth here...but if you see me speak...youll know > everything. ok. i've got a fever, been in bed most of the week so here we go. um, bill clinton saying on tv that he didn't have sex with monica. um, *any* politician on tv most of the time. please, where does this nonsense come from. you can lie in any medium, it is trivial to do. video is no closer to human essence than anything else. > > but what you said above is important. > videoblogging seems to be best when its personal. > it feels uncomfortable to make..but i get the most compliments when im > revealing...with style of course. > and our group does seem to want to build togther...becasue a single > videoblog is lonely. agreed with this. blogs have demonstrated this. they are quotidian, personal, idiosyncratic and multivocal. videoblogs ought to be the same. easy to say, hard to do, i've certainly never managed it. > > david Balcom sent me a great email last week where he noticed > something similar to you: > "You didn't mention blogs in your post, but I know your posse have > adopted the videoblogger moniker, so just wanted to comment on that: > this system isn't a blogging system,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Uniqueness of Video Blogging

By M. Sean Gilligan | "M. Sean Gilligan" <seanlist@...> | M_Sean_Gilligan
November 19, 2004 | Post #1847 | Topic #1809

>david Balcom sent me a great email last week where he noticed >something similar to you: >"You didn't mention blogs in your post, but I know your posse have >adopted the videoblogger moniker, so just wanted to comment on that: >this system isn't a blogging system, right? You're moving past the >one-to-many world of blogging and into a collaborative shared space, Blogging at first glance is one-to-many, but in reality *creates* a collaborative shared space. >more wiki in nature but with a more directed voice. I think you're >outgrowing blogging as a term -- I think the fun of collaborative video >is dialogue, not monologue. But that's just me." I don't think the guy who wrote this truly understands the blogosphere, although I like the idea of a video wiki... -- Sean -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- M. Sean Gilligan http://msgilligan.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [View]