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Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?

By Randolfe Wicker | Randolfe Wicker <rhwicker@...> | humancloner1997
September 9, 2005 | Post #22132 | Topic #22132

--Boundary_(ID_2H8ojnCfDWtUcpmuA1brWg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There have been numerous debates here about personal legal and financial vulnerability for using unlicensed music intentionally or accidentally in a vlog. These problems seem to be almost endless in their complexity. For instance, Steve Watkins writes: "I use copyrighted music and then give my videoblog away with > derivatives permitted, or even redistribution permitted, the license > wont stand up in court? Because I don't have the rights too the > original work I used, I cant give those rights away to anyone else?" I can imagine how terrible it would be to create a work incorporating a vlog like the one described above only to discover you didn't have the "legal rights" you believed you had been given to use the material. If you read the frightening details about how the lack of music licenses can prevent the showing of otherwise original video--say an interview taped with unwanted but identifiable music playing in the background in a bar or even on a beach with someone's radio playing many feet away--you have to wonder why (or if) someone has devised a way to eliminate such unwanted background noise from a soundtrack? If this is not possible at the moment, one has to think that it could be at least technologically possible. Wouldn't that be a help to everyone. I find myself almost crazed while shooting footage in a location and then realizing I... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?

By Charles HOPE | Charles HOPE <charles.hope@...> | pokkarichuck
September 9, 2005 | Post #22134 | Topic #22132

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Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?

By Enric | "Enric" <enric@...> | iragilac
September 9, 2005 | Post #22135 | Topic #22132

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <rhwicker@o...> wrote: > There have been numerous debates here about personal legal and financial vulnerability for using unlicensed music intentionally or accidentally in a vlog. These problems seem to be almost endless in their complexity. For instance, Steve Watkins writes: > "I use copyrighted music and then give my videoblog away with > > derivatives permitted, or even redistribution permitted, the license > > wont stand up in court? Because I don't have the rights too the > > original work I used, I cant give those rights away to anyone else?" > > I can imagine how terrible it would be to create a work incorporating a vlog like the one described above only to discover you didn't have the "legal rights" you believed you had been given to use the material. > > If you read the frightening details about how the lack of music licenses can prevent the showing of otherwise original video--say an interview taped with unwanted but identifiable music playing in the background in a bar or even on a beach with someone's radio playing many feet away--you have to wonder why (or if) someone has devised a way to eliminate such unwanted background noise from a soundtrack? > A.D.R. :), Enric > If this is not possible at the moment, one has to think that it could be at least technologically possible. Wouldn't that be a help to everyone.... [View]



Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?

By straydogma | "straydogma" <bill@...> | straydogma
September 9, 2005 | Post #22144 | Topic #22132

I'm no lawyer but I know that there is a legal concept called "incidental" music. I think that there are cases where it's not necessary to secure rights for music that shows up incidentally in your work. Like if you shot for a few minutes in a bar and there happened to be music playing in the background that you had no control over. Of course the prominence of the music and if the music were important to the story you were telling and how much of the music is heard are all factors for legal obligations. I also have heard that music clips of less than 60 seconds can be used without securing the rights. But like I said I'm not a lawyer so don't take my word for it, I'm just saying that these are things you might want to look into. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <rhwicker@o...> wrote: > There have been numerous debates here about personal legal and financial vulnerability for using unlicensed music intentionally or accidentally in a vlog. These problems seem to be almost endless in their complexity. For instance, Steve Watkins writes: > "I use copyrighted music and then give my videoblog away with > > derivatives permitted, or even redistribution permitted, the license > > wont stand up in court? Because I don't have the rights too the > > original work I used, I cant give those rights away to anyone... [View]



Damn RIAA (Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?)

By Gena | "Gena" <compumavengal@...> | compumavengal
September 9, 2005 | Post #22163 | Topic #22132

People love and need music. It is right up there with air, water, food and the perfect dress. If I don't record because of the accidental music in the background I miss out on many public activities and encounters. Next, I would be avoiding people in clothing, especially t-shirts cuz they have logos or copyrighted slogans. This would be followed by not shooting cars because of the particular paint job on the vehicle is a special color by the manufacturer. Then there are "public" buildings that are now off limits. If we let this self-censorship continue there will be nothing left but recording naked bodies standing absolutly still. (Hold on, not a bad idea!) These are the times that we occupy. Yes, we do have to respect copyrights and artists fair compensation. I do not steal music or anything else. But I will not stop recording because someone (that I have no control of) has music in the background. If is not fair nor would it be a truthful representation of what I saw and observed. We can lose a lot of history this way. Damn the RIAA and live in defiance! Gena http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ********************* --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker <rhwicker@o...> wrote: > There have been numerous debates here about personal legal and financial vulnerability for using unlicensed music intentionally or accidentally in a vlog. These problems seem to be almost endless in their complexity. For instance, Steve Watkins writes:... [View]



Damn RIAA (Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?)

By Steve Watkins | "Steve Watkins" <steve@...> | elbowsofdeath
September 9, 2005 | Post #22168 | Topic #22132

Its interesting that you mention air, water and food. Because when thinking of what freedoms humans should be entitled to, and what responsibilities they should take seriously, one way to approach it is to start from the beginning. By the very nature of our existence, we are never free from the need to breath, eat, drink, sleep and go to the toilet. Or to put it another way, we are free to starve or go mad but these arent good choices. I know that these are obvious statements, but it is the connection between basic reality and peoples discussions of whether humans should be free to have the ideal job, be free to do what their will desires. We are shielded from many of the basic realities of living, in the current age. One of the things that shocks us so much when disasters strike, is how our artificial and sophisticated lives can so quickly be wiped away and real survival sets in. Before Katrina, even the poorest of New Orleans, were shielded from base reality of existence to a certain extent. Then of course there are all the other needs that humans have, for family, love, friends, callenges, etc etc. Music fits into this category for me. Really quite essentail things for human sanity, but not in the same clas as the actual bear essentials needed to stay alive, like food. So musics already a secondary 'right' to me,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Damn RIAA (Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?)

By Randolfe Wicker | Randolfe Wicker <rhwicker@...> | humancloner1997
September 10, 2005 | Post #22175 | Topic #22132

--Boundary_(ID_fERTg/6w9+zrTeCKOZKa/w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It is and isn't funny that Gena talks about "public buildings" being "off limits". I wonder how many people remember a posting a few weeks ago in which some poor vlogger/videographer talked about corporations asking for huge fees for their corporate buildings to be used as settings for filmed scenes. I like Gena's spirit. What is legal is not always either "right" or "ethical". I particularly think she makes a really great point when she says: "But I will not stop recording because someone (that I have no control of) has music in the background. If is not fair nor would it be a truthful representation of what I saw and observed. We can lose a lot of history this way." ----- Original Message ----- From: Gena To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: [videoblogging] Damn RIAA (Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?) People love and need music. It is right up there with air, water, food and the perfect dress. If I don't record because of the accidental music in the background I miss out on many public activities and encounters. Next, I would be avoiding people in clothing, especially t-shirts cuz they have logos or copyrighted slogans. This would be followed by not shooting cars because of the particular paint job on the vehicle is a special color by the manufacturer. Then... [View]



Damn RIAA (Re: Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?)

By Jack Nelson | "Jack Nelson" <jack@...> | mexiculture
September 10, 2005 | Post #22196 | Topic #22132

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Gena" <compumavengal@e...> wrote: > But I will not stop recording because someone (that I have no control > of) has music in the background. If is not fair nor would it be a > truthful representation of what I saw and observed. We can lose a lot > of history this way. > > Damn the RIAA and live in defiance! <satire> Gena, you are a dangerous person. What you are suggesting will cause the end of civilization as we know it. Why, if we all did what you suggest, billions of dollars would be lost by helpless music hanger-oners, middlemen, and promoters (not to mention thousands of dollars from the artists themselves). What's worse a trickle down effect would inevitably start that would affect thousands of pimps, coke dealers, etc. I suggest you view my vlog on this subject at droppedframes.blogspot.com and amend your ways</satire> <seriosly> I'm not against copyright laws, I just think they need to be rethought. Copyrights last too long and copyright lawyers are too agressive on things like incident music, insignificant logos in the background of videos etc. Copyrights are supposed to protect the artists and encourage inovation. Where they go beyond that they should be challenged. I'm with Gena, I'm not going to stop filming just because our environment is saturated with pop culture that cannot be avoided.</serious> [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Is there any way to remove music alone from a vlog's soundtrack?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 12, 2005 | Post #22254 | Topic #22132

around the 9/9/05 Randolfe Wicker mentioned about [videoblogging] Is there any way to remove music alone from that: >There have been numerous debates here about personal legal and >financial vulnerability for using unlicensed music intentionally or >accidentally in a vlog. These problems seem to be almost endless in >their complexity. For instance, Steve Watkins writes: in QT pro: get movie properties select the track click the delete button (just above the track list) save. -- cheers Adrian Miles hypertext.RMIT <URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog&gt; [View]