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Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
October 19, 2005 | Post #24775 | Topic #24775

This is the class blog for Temple University Film and Media Arts Department Multimedia Production Class, Fall 2005. Taught by Jen Simmons. <http://teaching.jensimmons.com/multimedia/2005/10/citizen- journalism.htm> <http://tinyurl.com/745yg&gt; She assigned students to watch some Citizen Journalism. Four of my videos were assigned and the first student has posted his comment. In part it says, "And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required. Also it seems like he compares himself to Adam Curry's style, so basically he gets no points for originality." He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I guess. I'd like to hear your responses to his comment over on the class blog. Thanks, --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Verdi | Verdi <michael@...> | filmguy1105
October 19, 2005 | Post #24777 | Topic #24775

On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: > He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I guess. What's the Michael Verdi technique? lol As for that guy's comments... I've talked to Jen about this in general, maybe she can say what she thinks, but I think part of the reason we haven't seen more filmmakers as videobloggers and we get comments like that is that they have a lot invested in the methods, equipment, esthetic, and distribution system of film. Basically I think there is an underlying basic misunderstanding of how videoblogging differs from filmmaking. Now I don't think it's this guys fault necessarily. I tell people all the time that, though I understood videoblogging on an intellectual level right away, it took about 6 weeks of actually posting, watching, and commenting to really get a much deeper understanding of what's really powerful about videoblogging. -- Verdi <URL: http://michaelverdi.com/ > <URL: http://freevlog.org/ > <URL: http://node101.org/ > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Lynn Lane | Lynn Lane <lynnlane@...> | filmmaker_lynn
October 19, 2005 | Post #24778 | Topic #24775

--Apple-Mail-2--1043882868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I missed the original post on this thread. Can someone repost it. I'm curious about this one regarding filmmakers as videobloggers. I am actively trying to recruit some of my friends who are filmmakers to open up to vlogs. A few are in the process of starting their own now. Lynn Lynn Lane Coal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazine website: http://www.CoalRiverPictures.com email: lynnlane@... vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.com feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker AIVF/IDA Ring 8 Member NYC On Oct 19, 2005, at 10:57 AM, Verdi wrote: > On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: > > > He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I > guess. > > What's the Michael Verdi technique? lol > > As for that guy's comments... I've talked to Jen about this in > general, maybe she can say what she thinks, but I think part of the > reason we haven't seen more filmmakers as videobloggers and we get > comments like that is that they have a lot invested in the methods, > equipment, esthetic, and distribution system of film. Basically I > think there is an underlying basic misunderstanding of how > videoblogging differs from filmmaking. Now I don't think it's this > guys fault necessarily. I tell people all the time that, though I > understood videoblogging on an intellectual level right away, it took > about 6 weeks of actually posting,... [View]



Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By johngaltsjournal | "johngaltsjournal" <schlomo@...> | johngaltsjournal
October 19, 2005 | Post #24783 | Topic #24775

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Verdi <michael@m...> wrote: Basicall= y I > think there is an underlying basic misunderstanding of how > vide= oblogging differs from filmmaking. Now I don't think it's this > guys fa= ult necessarily. I tell people all the time that, though I > understood = videoblogging on an intellectual level right away, it took > about 6 week= s of actually posting, watching, and commenting to really > get a much de= eper understanding of what's really powerful about > videoblogging. > I = come across this problem when speaking to film/video students pretty much e= very time. They have a hard time conceptualizing on how the whole game (f= rom creation to distribution) changes with videoblogs-- and how just putti= ng up a short film they made in class as a videoblog almost stunts their g= rowth in terms of learning about this new medium. The immediacy and inter= action from completing a vidpost is much different than making a piece in = the "old way". Getting their heads away from the "unprofessional" aspects = can be a pain as well..but most understand the "citizen" part of Citizen J= ournalism. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com http://webzine2005.com = [View]



RE: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Beth Kanter | "Beth Kanter" <beth@...> | harry_sarak
October 19, 2005 | Post #24787 | Topic #24775

Looks like the class is also creating their own vlogs as well -- here's the commentor's blog http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/ I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi technique of commenting .. -----Original Message----- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Garfield Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:16 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism - multimedia.05 This is the class blog for Temple University Film and Media Arts Department Multimedia Production Class, Fall 2005. Taught by Jen Simmons. <http://teaching.jensimmons.com/multimedia/2005/10/citizen- journalism.htm> <http://tinyurl.com/745yg&gt; She assigned students to watch some Citizen Journalism. Four of my videos were assigned and the first student has posted his comment. In part it says, "And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required. Also it seems like he compares himself to Adam Curry's style, so basically he gets no points for originality." He hasn't heard of the Michael Verdi technique of commenting I guess. I'd like to hear your responses to his comment over on the class blog. Thanks, --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Pete Prodoehl | Pete Prodoehl <raster@...> | raster
October 19, 2005 | Post #24791 | Topic #24775

Beth Kanter wrote: > I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi technique > of commenting I think it involves yelling into the camera and removing you clothes... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... [View]



RE: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Beth Kanter | "Beth Kanter" <beth@...> | harry_sarak
October 19, 2005 | Post #24792 | Topic #24775

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5D4DC.EFEE1B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yelling four letter words? -----Original Message----- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Prodoehl Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:44 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism - multimedia.05 Beth Kanter wrote: > I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi technique > of commenting I think it involves yelling into the camera and removing you clothes... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "videoblogging <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging&gt; " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/&gt; . _____ ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5D4DC.EFEE1B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>= <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii= "> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2722" name=3DG= ENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D724384222-19102005><FONT face=3D= Arial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>yelling four letter words? </FONT></SPAN></= DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3D= OutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTa= homa size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> videoblogging@y= ahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] <B>On Behalf Of </= B>Pete Prodoehl<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:44 PM<BR><= B>To:</B> videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [videoblo= gging] Citizen Journalism - multimedia.05<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><TT>Beth K= anter wrote:<BR><BR>> I must have missed it, but could you explain th= e Michael Verdi technique<BR>> of commenting<BR><BR><BR>I think it in= volves yelling into the camera and removing you clothes...<BR><BR><BR>Pe= te<BR><BR>-- <BR><A href=3D"http://tinkernet.org/">http://tinkernet.org/= </A><BR>videoblog for the future...<BR><BR></TT></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5D4DC.EFEE1B60-- [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Jan McLaughlin | Jan McLaughlin <vze4pnhk@...> | janmclaughlin08
October 19, 2005 | Post #24797 | Topic #24775

Verdi's conducting an ongoing vlog workshop based on certain principals of critique that are outlined in his introductory post, here: <URL: http://vlogworkshop.blogspot.com/ > Jan -- "It isn't done alone. Pay more." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadnode101/ - education http://fauxpress.blogspot.com - motion http://blog.urbanartadventures.com - sound http://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com - media http://the-hold.blogspot.com - literature . On Oct 19, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Beth Kanter wrote: > Looks like the class is also creating their own vlogs as well -- here's > the commentor's blog > http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/ > > I must have missed it, but could you explain the Michael Verdi > technique > of commenting .. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Garfield > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:16 AM > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [videoblogging] Citizen Journalism - multimedia.05 > > > This is the class blog for Temple University Film and Media Arts > Department Multimedia Production Class, Fall 2005. Taught by Jen > Simmons. > > <http://teaching.jensimmons.com/multimedia/2005/10/citizen- > journalism.htm> > > <http://tinyurl.com/745yg&gt; > > She assigned students to watch some Citizen Journalism. > > Four of my videos were assigned and the first student has posted his > comment. > > In part it says, "And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not > just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little bit of talent > and creativity is required. Also it seems like he compares himself to > Adam Curry's... [View]



Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Jack Nelson | "Jack Nelson" <jack@...> | mexiculture
October 19, 2005 | Post #24805 | Topic #24775

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <steve@o...> wrote: > = > This is the class blog for Temple University Film and Media Arts > Depa= rtment Multimedia Production Class, Fall 2005. Taught by Jen > Simmons. >= > <http://teaching.jensimmons.com/multimedia/2005/10/citizen- > journali= sm.htm> > > <http://tinyurl.com/745yg&gt; > > She assigned students to watch= some Citizen Journalism. > > Four of my videos were assigned and the firs= t student has posted his > comment. > > In part it says, "And yeah I lea= rned a few things, one being that not > just anyone can be a citizen jour= nalist because a little bit of talent > and creativity is required. Also = it seems like he compares himself to > Adam Curry's style, so basically h= e gets no points for originality." well, I'd give the guy an F for tack, b= ut he has some points. He says: >>2. some classes on learning how to hold = the camera steady. Like I said not tactful, but the camera movement is a = bit erratic. I know I've seen other pieces by you Steve that are rock stea= dy and I've wondered if you had a tripod or someone else holding the camer= a. Now I can understand that if you are making a personal vlog then "profe= ssional" methods don't apply, but I think if someone is aspiring to be a ci= tizen journalist, you should be held to... [View]



RE: [videoblogging] Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Beth Kanter | "Beth Kanter" <beth@...> | harry_sarak
October 20, 2005 | Post #24823 | Topic #24775

------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C5D571.E2A82BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>And yeah I learned a few things, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required. Now that's just being an asshole. Get your fucking camera and go out and post something first before you start tossing comments like this around ------------------------- If you follow the class links ( <http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/&gt; http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/), you see that this guy has posted something. And, yeah I learned a few things from seeing his video, one being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist because a little of talent and creativity is required. :-) ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C5D571.E2A82BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>= <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii= "> <TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=3DG= ENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><TT>>>And yeah I learned a few things, o= ne being that not just anyone can be a citizen <BR>journalist because a li= ttle bit of talent and creativity is required.<BR><BR>Now that's just bein= g an asshole. Get your fucking camera and go out and post something <BR>fi= rst before you start tossing comments like this around<BR><BR><SPAN class= =3D375302616-20102005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2> --= -----------------------</FONT></SPAN></TT></DIV> <DIV><TT><SPAN class=3D375= 302616-20102005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If you follow = the class links (<A href=3D"http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/"><FONT face=3D= "Courier New" size=3D3>http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/</FONT></A&gt;), you see= that this guy has posted something.   And, yeah I learned a few= things from seeing his video, one being that not just anyone can... [View]



Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By jonny goldstein | "jonny goldstein" <spamjonny@...> | jonnygoldstein
October 20, 2005 | Post #24825 | Topic #24775

My impression of this guy who commented is that he's young, he's passionat= e, and very opinionated. He's posted like 7 comments so far on that one po= st. I think he's calling things like he sees them, even if in a totally sn= otty way. I recommended he go check out Steve's army birthday post, and he= dug it, so he's capable of appreciating stuff, if he thinks it's well don= e. I think the kind of passion this guy is showing is great, even if he com= es off as a little immature in the playground style of his critiques. Let'= s see what Palazzo posts as his semester progresses. --- In videobloggi= ng@yahoogroups.com, "Beth Kanter" <beth@b...> wrote: > > >>And yeah I learn= ed a few things, one being that not just anyone can be > a citizen > journ= alist because a little bit of talent and creativity is required. > > Now t= hat's just being an asshole. Get your fucking camera and go out and > post = something > first before you start tossing comments like this around > > = ------------------------- > If you follow the class links ( <http://palazz= ojay.blogspot.com/> > http://palazzojay.blogspot.com/), you see that this g= uy has posted > something. And, yeah I learned a few things from seeing h= is video, one > being that not just anyone can be a citizen journalist beca= use a little >... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Clint Sharp | Clint Sharp <clint@...> | clint_sharp
October 20, 2005 | Post #24827 | Topic #24775

jonny goldstein wrote: > My impression of this guy who commented is that he's young, he's > passionate, and very > opinionated. He's posted like 7 comments so far on that one post. I > think he's calling > things like he sees them, even if in a totally snotty way. I > recommended he go check out > Steve's army birthday post, and he dug it, so he's capable of > appreciating stuff, if he thinks > it's well done. I think the kind of passion this guy is showing is > great, even if he comes off > as a little immature in the playground style of his critiques. Let's > see what Palazzo posts as > his semester progresses. One of the things about putting your stuff out to the world and asking for critiques is expecting that some of that world are going to come back to you with negative feedback. Some people are just assholes. It's probably not something to get into much of a sweat about. However, I'd think one thing to note about all this is that people who have paid for an education (especially the ones in the process of receiving one) often come out with a sense of entitlement and an over-assessment of what skill they themselves possess. I'd write off what this guy has said mainly to a lack of life experience. Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy &... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen | "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <ahpe01@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2005 | Post #24832 | Topic #24775

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:10:08 +0200, jonny goldstein <spamjonny@...> wrote: > My impression of this guy who commented is that he's young, he's > passionate, and very > opinionated. I was surprised to see that he's actually 30 years old. But definitely passionate and opinionated. He strikes me as a "critical for the sake of being critical" rather than reflexive. Sadly, an archetype often seen in schools. Andreas "Dad, there are other wipes than the Star Wipe!" Haugstrup -- <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/&gt; Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Citizen Journalism – multimedia.05

By Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen | "Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen" <ahpe01@...> | andreashaugstrup
October 20, 2005 | Post #24833 | Topic #24775

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:22:38 +0200, Clint Sharp <clint@...> wrote: > One of the things about putting your stuff out to the world and asking > for critiques is expecting that some of that world are going to come > back to you with negative feedback. Some people are just assholes. That reminds me of what I forgot to include in my previous mail. Jill Walker has written an article called "Weblogs: Learning in Public" about her experiences using blogs in in a university course she taught. It's pretty good. <URL: http://jilltxt.net/txt/Weblogs-learninginpublic.pdf > - Andreas -- <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/&gt; Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. [View]