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Server side optimizing?

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
July 11, 2004 | Post #283 | Topic #283

Does anyone know of any server side video optimizing software? I'm trying to figure out how to optimize video's while travelling, and the nicest option I can think of is doing it serverside. Other ideas include taking my own software on the road, but I won't be carrying a computer and I doubt internet cafe's will let me install software... Peter [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Server side optimizing?

By Adrian Miles | "Adrian Miles" <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 12, 2004 | Post #290 | Topic #283

>>> peter@... 07/12/04 2:37 AM >>> Does anyone know of any server side video optimizing software? I'm trying to figure out how to optimize video's while travelling, and the nicest option I can think of is doing it serverside. Other ideas include taking my own software on the road, but I won't be carrying a computer and I doubt internet cafe's will let me install software... Peter I use QT on laptop and save to mpeg4. from memory Cleaner lets you set up a watch folder but problem with that is you hve to upload *enormous* files to be auto compressed which is impossible without *huge* bandwidth. i don't understand your model given this? a large file would need to be placed on a server to be server side compressed so what are you gaining? or i might have misunderstood. (with DVT from the flight home, now a dead hard drive, i'm rather addled just now...) cheers adrian miles [View]



Re: Server side optimizing?

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
July 12, 2004 | Post #293 | Topic #283

> i don't understand your model given this? a large file would need to be placed on a server to be server side compressed > so what are you gaining? or i might have misunderstood. (with DVT from the flight home, now a dead hard drive, i'm > rather addled just now...) The movies I make with my small camera are about 2 megs each. (few hundred K after optimizing). So that's very doable to upload to a server and optimize serverside for future downloads by users... > I use QT on laptop and save to mpeg4. from memory Cleaner lets you set up a watch folder but problem with that is you > hve to upload *enormous* files to be auto compressed which is impossible without *huge* bandwidth. Could you explain again how that works? Sounds interesting... Peter [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Adrian Miles | "Adrian Miles" <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 12, 2004 | Post #294 | Topic #283

>>> peter@... 07/13/04 11:27 AM >>> The movies I make with my small camera are about 2 megs each. (few hundred K after optimizing). So that's very doable to upload to a server and optimize serverside for future downloads by users... > I use QT on laptop and save to mpeg4. from memory Cleaner lets you set up a watch folder but problem with that is you > hve to upload *enormous* files to be auto compressed which is impossible without *huge* bandwidth. Could you explain again how that works? Sounds interesting... From Adrian: http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/cleaner6/ run it on os x, set a watch folder, anything in here will be compressed for you. haven't used it but would expect it to use settings you control. on os x would just make the folder available to you via ftp or ssh, or via a http upload, also on os x you could write an applescript that takes the output and puts it somewhere else, including a webpage (which would be very cool). cheers Adrian Miles [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
July 13, 2004 | Post #295 | Topic #283

> >From Adrian: > http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/cleaner6/ > run it on os x, set a watch folder, anything in here will be compressed >for you. haven't used it but would expect it to > use settings you control. on os x would just make the folder available to > you via ftp or ssh, or via a http upload, also > on os x you could write an applescript that takes the output and puts it > somewhere else, including a webpage (which > would be very cool). wait a second. so this is a server side compressor folder? peter could just FTP (from any computer)a small MPEG to a folder on his server and it would compress the video...and maybe even post it to his blog? no way.... must it be OSX? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Adrian Miles | "Adrian Miles" <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 13, 2004 | Post #297 | Topic #283

>>> jay@... 07/13/04 2:39 PM >>> wait a second. so this is a server side compressor folder? peter could just FTP (from any computer)a small MPEG to a folder on his server and it would compress the video...and maybe even post it to his blog? no way.... must it be OSX? 1. yes could ftp to server and it will compress the video. cleaner is cross platform as far as i know, but as everyone on this list has realised, just because its cross platform doesn't mean that it works the same or as well where audiovisual media is concerned. 2. post to blog. well on os x you could do this with applescripts, but that would be my case since hypertext.rmit is a os x server so it would be simply moving the file from one folder to another on the same machine... not sure if applescript can publish remotely, but probably can. even if it can't you could certainly set a server to email the movie somewhere... -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org Yahoo! Groups Links [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By ├ůsmund Garfors | =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5smund_Garfors?= <st06371@...> | agarfors
July 13, 2004 | Post #300 | Topic #283

> wait a second. > so this is a server side compressor folder? > peter could just FTP (from any computer)a small MPEG to a folder on his > server and it would compress the video...and maybe even post it to his blog? > no way.... > must it be OSX? I'm really "on vacation", meaning that I work with other stuff from 9am to 10pm and have no time available for this. But when I do, in some weeks, I'll be working on server side video compressing. The idea is that anyone could upload a video file through http, it will automatically get compressed and be available for download for anyone. When this is done, any blog could link directly to it, preferrably automatically by some script. I will make this "web encoding tool" available for everyone that is interested. (I might also have some storage, bandwidth, subdomains, and ssh login for vblog-interested people. Not much cpu-power, though, server running cel450, 256ram) I'm looking at command line encoding tools like mencoder (and ffmpeg, transcode, etc.) Still experimental for me. Some mac-oriented people are talking about OS X and this watch folder, and it seems ok, I've just tried it. But I'm trying to figure out how to do this with free software (I'm running FreeBSD). But both Cleaner and mencoder has some problems not being able to decode as many formats as I would like, meaning they aren't able... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
July 13, 2004 | Post #303 | Topic #283

> I'll be > working on server side video compressing. The idea is that anyone could > upload a > video file through http, it will automatically get compressed and be > available > for download for anyone. When this is done, any blog could link directly >to > it, > preferrably automatically by some script. This would be great for Peter who's travelling to India at the end of august. he could upload mpegs from any internet cafe onto his server...which optimzes his video. Posting's a breeze. However, his server(i believe) runs on Linux...as do many servers. anyway this would work? IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN, this is a real piece of the puzzle to making the videoblogging process cleaner and easier.\ enjoy the vacation. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: Server side optimizing?

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
July 13, 2004 | Post #307 | Topic #283

> run it on os x, set a watch folder, anything in here will be compressed for you. haven't used it but would expect it to > use settings you control. on os x would just make the folder available to you via ftp or ssh, or via a http upload, also > on os x you could write an applescript that takes the output and puts it somewhere else, including a webpage (which > would be very cool). That *does* sound cool. I'd have to run an OSX server, right? (I'm used to running Linux servers...) Peter [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 13, 2004 | Post #308 | Topic #283

On 14/07/2004, at 12:26 PM, petertheman wrote: > That *does* sound cool. I'd have to run an OSX server, right? (I'm > used to running Linux servers...) depends what cleaner needs. if you could run it on windows, mount a volume from your linux box onto the windows machine, and make that the watch folder (dunno, but could be worth a try) then you'd be fine. for me i'm os x kinda guy so i'd just run it plain vanilla os x all the way. these days it is unix under the hood so if you've got linux skills then os x would be a breeze. just keep away from os x server - expensive but they put .config files in non standard places. on normal os x http config files for apache are just where they are supposed to be, so much much easier to use. (os x default installation includes apache) cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 14, 2004 | Post #309 | Topic #283

On 14/07/2004, at 8:07 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN, this is a real piece of the puzzle to > making > the videoblogging process cleaner and easier.\ > enjoy the vacation. i need to upgrade my version of cleaner 5 to cleaner 6. am probably willing to run it on a trial basis on a machine with a watch folder on a server. bandwidth costs might be an issue so i'd need to probably password protect it so that only those on the list had access, and i'd probably change the password weekly.... are people interested in trying this as an experiment? cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 14, 2004 | Post #310 | Topic #283

On 14/07/2004, at 7:06 AM, =C5smund Garfors wrote: > I'm looking at comma= nd line encoding tools like mencoder (and ffmpeg, > transcode, > etc.) Sti= ll experimental for me. Some mac-oriented people are talking > about OS X = > and this watch folder, and it seems ok, I've just tried it. But I'm > tr= ying to > figure out how to do this with free software (I'm running FreeBSD= ). > But both > Cleaner and mencoder has some problems not being able to d= ecode as > many formats > as I would like, meaning they aren't able to enc= ode them. I don't know > which > tool's able to support most formats. Ther= e seems to be difficult to > automate > this, meaning that some user confi= guration/tweaking for every uploaded > file may > be necessary. Ideas, any= one? hi =C5smund sorry i didn't meet you when i worked for Intermedia and= medievitenskap at Bergen :-) I have a really basic suggestion which runs= counter to a lot of the basic ideas of projects like this (which I like b= tw). Insist on a standard. Rather than making tools that support everythin= g, make something that works well and make sure people follow the standard= that you set. This is crucial because then we all know what sorts of vide= o objects are coming out the other end, and how to use... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Server side optimizing?

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
July 14, 2004 | Post #311 | Topic #283

so someone like Peter could upload a video to your server from an Indian net cafe...and then he could link it to his blog? if so, yeah let's try it. Peter and i spent sunday trying to figure out how to make this work. we just planned on him emailing the MPEGS to me so i could compress then upload to his server(nuts). this would be a good solution. Quoting Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...>: > > On 14/07/2004, at 8:07 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > > > IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN, this is a real piece of the puzzle to > > making > > the videoblogging process cleaner and easier.\ > > enjoy the vacation. > > i need to upgrade my version of cleaner 5 to cleaner 6. am probably > willing to run it on a trial basis on a machine with a watch folder on > a server. bandwidth costs might be an issue so i'd need to probably > password protect it so that only those on the list had access, and i'd > probably change the password weekly.... > > are people interested in trying this as an experiment? > > cheers > Adrian Miles > ................................................................. > hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian > interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog > research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537... [View]



Re: Server side optimizing?

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
July 14, 2004 | Post #314 | Topic #283

> are people interested in trying this as an experiment? I am interested. If it works ok and doesn't kill your bandwidth, we could even try it with me traveling in India :) Peter [View]