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Inner workings

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
August 1, 2004 | Post #481 | Topic #481

I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh! http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html How some of my videoblogs are made. It was fun. It was late. That is all. Eric [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Inner workings

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 1, 2004 | Post #482 | Topic #481

--B_3174156137_492025 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I made a blog about your blog. http://nnon.tv/eric.mov This is what I see= when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical problem? I click on th= e url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I see on my screen. = I=B9m sure I=B9m doing something wrong but don=B9t know what. .shannon = On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > I made a vide= oblog about videoblogging. Doh! > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2= 004/7/31/115427.html > How some of my videoblogs are made. > It was fun. > = It was late. > That is all. > > Eric > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > = ADVERTISEMENT > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=3D129h0iqvo/M=3D295196.490= 1138.6071305.3001176/D=3Dgrou > ps/S=3D1705554021:HM/EXP=3D1091420445/A=3D2= 128215/R=3D0/SIG=3D10se96mf6/*http://companio > n.yahoo.com> > > > Yaho= o! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://group= s.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, = send an email to: > * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:v= ideoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe> > * > * Y= our use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http:= //docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > --B_3174156137_492025 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [videoblogging] Inner workings</TITLE> </HEAD> <BO= DY> <FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">I made a blog about your blog. <BR> <BR> http://= nnon.tv/eric.mov<BR> <BR> This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. W= hat is my technical problem? <BR>... [View]



Re: Inner workings

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
August 1, 2004 | Post #483 | Topic #481

That happened to me, too, so I put the right click notice (or ctrl-click on= =3D mac), Quicktime opens it fine outside of the browser. I even toyed with= the extension, making it mpeg, and no luck. I thought mpe=3D g was supposed to be this all dandy thing. Screw it, I'll just make it .m= ov! ;-) But save it by ctrl-click to desktop and then open in quicktime. S= ee if tha=3D t works. Eric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble <sn@n.= ..> wrote: > I made a blog about your blog. > > http://nnon.tv/eric.mov > = > This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical > p= roblem? > > I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov i= s what I see=3D on > my screen. > > I=B9m sure I=B9m doing something wrong but don=B9t k= now what. > > .shannon > > > On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...>= wrote: > > > I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh! > > http://eric= .blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html > > How some of my video= blogs are made. > > It was fun. > > It was late. > > That is all. > > > > = Eric > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > >= <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=3D129h0iqvo/M=3D295196.4901138.6071305.300117= 6=3D / D=3Dgrou > > ps/S=3D1705554021:HM/EXP=3D1091420445/A=3D2128215/R=3D0/SIG=... [View]



Re: Inner workings

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
August 1, 2004 | Post #484 | Topic #481

Okay, I haven't published it, but here's the MOV link: http://eric.blognews= =3D .com/ makemedia01.mov That probably works much better. Eric --- In vide= oblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote: > That happened t= o me, too, so I put the right click notice (or ctrl-click =3D on=3D > mac), Quicktime > opens it fine outside of the browser. > > I e= ven toyed with the extension, making it mpeg, and no luck. I thought m=3D pe=3D > g was > supposed to be this all dandy thing. Screw it, I'll just = make it .mov! ;-=3D ) > > But save it by ctrl-click to desktop and then open in quicktime. Se= e if t=3D ha=3D > t works. > > Eric > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shan= non Noble <sn@n...> wrote: > > I made a blog about your blog. > > > > http= ://nnon.tv/eric.mov > > > > This is what I see when I access this mp4 file= . What is my technical > > problem? > > > > I click on the url for the fi= le and what you see in my .mov is what I s=3D ee=3D > on > > my screen. > > > > I=B9m sure I=B9m doing something wrong= but don=B9t know what. > > > > .shannon > > > > > > On 7/31/04 9:20 PM,= "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote: > > > > > I... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 1, 2004 | Post #485 | Topic #481

--B_3174160208_540716 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the =B3cntrl=B2 click info....that did the trick. I don=B9t unde= rstand why it exists this way for my stupid Mac....I had such arrogant ass= umptions about its technology that I=B9m aghast. (cut ascii joke face here= ) Your url reads wrong but a dummy like me can figure that one out. http:/= /eric.blognews.com/makemedia01.mov I am greatly confused by the difference= between the mp4 download vs. the .mov download and this is a great frustra= tion. Naturally I want global access and return and immediate read/stream. = So why does one format and browser show me immediate stream and another wai= ts till the entire piece downloads as is such the case here. The mp4 file h= ad to download completely and the .mov QT streamed immediately...I=B9m usin= g Safari for this. Oye. My head is spinning. Walnut Creek? You live out th= at way? I=B9m in Silver Lake near Hollywood. Nice piece. Shannon On 7= /31/04 10:55 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > Okay, I haven't = published it, but here's the MOV link: http://eric.blognews=3D > .com/ > ma= kemedia01.mov > > That probably works much better. > > Eric > > --- In v= ideoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote: >> > That happ= ened to me, too, so I put the right click notice (or ctrl-click =3D > on=3D= >> > mac), Quicktime >> > opens it fine outside of the... [View]



Re: Inner workings

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
August 1, 2004 | Post #486 | Topic #481

Well I made the piece using iMovie and had made it .mp4 attempting to be fe= =3D el-good compatible with all people. Yeah, not. And no worries about the M= ac thing, =3D we're somewhat uber-Mac around here. Walnut Creek is outside San Francis= co. I *wish* I was in Hollywood. Or Manh=3D attan. Heh. Eric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble <sn= @n...> wrote: > Thanks for the =B3cntrl=B2 click info....that did the trick= . I don=B9t understa=3D nd > why it exists this way for my stupid Mac....I had such arrogant assu= mpti=3D ons > about its technology that I=B9m aghast. (cut ascii joke face here) = > > Your url reads wrong but a dummy like me can figure that one out. > ht= tp://eric.blognews.com/makemedia01.mov > > I am greatly confused by the di= fference between the mp4 download vs. the > .mov download and this is a gre= at frustration. Naturally I want global > access and return and immediate r= ead/stream. So why does one format and > browser show me immediate stream a= nd another waits till the entire piece > downloads as is such the case here= . The mp4 file had to download complete=3D ly > and the .mov QT streamed immediately...I=B9m using Safari for this. O= ye. My=3D > head is spinning. > > Walnut Creek? You live out that way? I=B9m in Si= lver Lake near Hollywood. N=3D ice > piece.... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 1, 2004 | Post #487 | Topic #481

--B_3174162407_706132 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the supplement. I=B9m currently changing and creating my site h= ere and learning how this is done. http://x.nnon.tv/ After doing a test = with Typepad and then purchasing Movable Type and installing it on my host = server, I=B9m still a bit foggy about the process but none the less....here= I am. I always forget where Walnut Creek is. I=B9ll never forget again. H= ollywood is ok. Manhattan is a great place to be for about two weeks. (No o= ffense. Cute ascii smiley face here) Shannon On 7/31/04 11:13 PM, "Eric= Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > Well I made the piece using iMovie and= had made it .mp4 attempting to be fe=3D > el-good > compatible with all p= eople. Yeah, not. And no worries about the Mac thing, =3D > we're > somewh= at uber-Mac around here. > > Walnut Creek is outside San Francisco. I *wis= h* I was in Hollywood. Or Manh=3D > attan. Heh. > > Eric > > --- In video= blogging@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble <sn@n...> wrote: >> > Thanks for th= e =B3cntrl=B2 click info....that did the trick. I don=B9t understa=3D > nd = >> > why it exists this way for my stupid Mac....I had such arrogant assum= pti=3D > ons >> > about its technology that I=B9m aghast. (cut ascii joke = face here) >> > >> > Your url reads wrong but a dummy... [View]



Re: Inner workings

By The Dane | "The Dane" <thedaneof5683@...> | thedaneof5683
August 1, 2004 | Post #488 | Topic #481

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote: > I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh! Eric, you're a model citizen and I would love you if I swung that way. But I don't. So instead of love, I'll give you admiration. I know - small consolation, huh? I think all tutorials should be as entertaining. OC represent. The Dane [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Inner workings

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 1, 2004 | Post #489 | Topic #481

hahahaha i got the same thing! but something just happened here. you showed us what it looked like. i think im going fucking crazy here. right here. Quoting Shannon Noble <sn@...>: > I made a blog about your blog. > > http://nnon.tv/eric.mov > > This is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical > problem? > > I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I see on > my screen. > > I�m sure I�m doing something wrong but don�t know what. > > .shannon > > > On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > > > I made a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh! > > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html > > How some of my videoblogs are made. > > It was fun. > > It was late. > > That is all. > > > > Eric > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h0iqvo/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/ D=grou > > > ps/S=1705554021:HM/EXP=1091420445/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http:// companio > > n.yahoo.com> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ > > * > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * > > * Your use of Yahoo!... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Inner workings

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 1, 2004 | Post #490 | Topic #481

--B_3174164278_790594 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I use to have this dream that there were beings that perceiveds the world i= n ascii format.....so that if I took the ascii equivalent of a pornographic= image and printed it out that the recipient of such bombastulence could pa= r take in such a thing and then experience orgasmic stimulation. RGB space= would be unnecessary. .s On 8/1/04 12:05 AM, "Jay Dedman" <jay@...= g> wrote: > hahahaha > i got the same thing! > but something just happened= here. > you showed us what it looked like. > i think im going fucking craz= y here. > right here. > > Quoting Shannon Noble <sn@...>: > >> > I ma= de a blog about your blog. >> > >> > http://nnon.tv/eric.mov >> > >> > Th= is is what I see when I access this mp4 file. What is my technical >> > pro= blem? >> > >> > I click on the url for the file and what you see in my .m= ov is what I see > on >> > my screen. >> > >> > I=B9m sure I=B9m doing som= ething wrong but don=B9t know what. >> > >> > .shannon >> > >> > >> > On= 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: >> > >>> > > I ma= de a videoblog about videoblogging. Doh! >>> > > http://eric.blognews.com/b= log/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.html >>> > > How some... [View]



Re: Inner workings

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
August 1, 2004 | Post #491 | Topic #481

So let's recap. I videoblogged about videoblogging, and Shannon videoblogge= =3D d the error with videoblog-videoblog. Man, I think my head is---BLAM. Sh= it. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay Dedman <jay@m...> wrote: > h= ahahaha > i got the same thing! > but something just happened here. > you s= howed us what it looked like. > i think im going fucking crazy here. > righ= t here. > > Quoting Shannon Noble <sn@n...>: > > > I made a blog about yo= ur blog. > > > > http://nnon.tv/eric.mov > > > > This is what I see when = I access this mp4 file. What is my technical > > problem? > > > > I click= on the url for the file and what you see in my .mov is what I s=3D ee > on > > my screen. > > > > I=B9m sure I=B9m doing something wrong bu= t don=B9t know what. > > > > .shannon > > > > > > On 7/31/04 9:20 PM, "E= ric Rice" <eric@e...> wrote: > > > > > I made a videoblog about videoblogg= ing. Doh! > > > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/115427.ht= ml > > > How some of my videoblogs are made. > > > It was fun. > > > It was= late. > > > That is all. > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > Yahoo!... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Inner workings

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 1, 2004 | Post #492 | Topic #481

--B_3174164702_811790 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable So what is this software you are using? I=B9ve also been doing iSight movi= es recently. Last week I used the iSight on my 12=B2 Powerbook to show my A= ustralian friend in Melbourne my house while at the same time he showed me = his house. My 7 year old son started fighting with me in a playful manner d= uring the move through the house and it turned out to be extremely entertai= ning for the Australians on the other end. We were both wireless and testin= g how far we could get from our base stations and seeing how broken the ima= ge became. Very very interesting. Very very funny also. .s On 7/31/04 = 9:20 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > I made a videoblog about= videoblogging. Doh! > http://eric.blognews.com/blog/_archives/2004/7/31/11= 5427.html > How some of my videoblogs are made. > It was fun. > It was late= . > That is all. > > Eric > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEME= NT > > <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=3D129h0iqvo/M=3D295196.4901138.607130= 5.3001176/D=3Dgrou > ps/S=3D1705554021:HM/EXP=3D1091420445/A=3D2128215/R=3D= 0/SIG=3D10se96mf6/*http://companio > n.yahoo.com> > > > Yahoo! Groups L= inks > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/videoblogging/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an ema= il to: > * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:videobloggin= g-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe> > * > * Your use of = Yahoo! Groups is subject to the... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 1, 2004 | Post #493 | Topic #481

--0-1444755331-1091364337=:6396 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE What's broken is the mime type: bash-2.05a$ HEAD http://eric.blognews.com/= makemedia01.mp4 200 OK Content-Type: text/plain MP4 mime type documented h= ere: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt The right mime type would b= e either video/mpeg or video/mpeg4-generic. The fix is in the config for y= our web server. Create a file called .htaccess in your video directory an= d put this in it: AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4 On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Eri= c Rice wrote: > That happened to me, too, so I put the right click notice = (or ctrl-click on=3D > mac), Quicktime > opens it fine outside of the brows= er. > > I even toyed with the extension, making it mpeg, and no luck. I tho= ught mpe=3D > g was > supposed to be this all dandy thing. Screw it, I'll j= ust make it .mov! ;-) > > But save it by ctrl-click to desktop and then ope= n in quicktime. See if tha=3D > t works. > > Eric > > --- In videoblogging@= yahoogroups.com, Shannon Noble <sn@n...> wrote: >> I made a blog about your= blog. >> >> http://nnon.tv/eric.mov >> >> This is what I see when I access= this mp4 file. What is my technical >> problem? >> >> I click on the url f= or the file and what you see in my .mov is what I see=3D > on >> my screen.= >> >> I=B9m sure I=B9m... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 1, 2004 | Post #496 | Topic #481

--0-661445293-1091364998=:6396 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Shannon Noble wrote: > I am greatly confused by the di= fference between the mp4 download vs. the > .mov download and this is a gre= at frustration. Naturally I want global > access and return and immediate r= ead/stream. So why does one format and > browser show me immediate stream a= nd another waits till the entire piece > downloads as is such the case here= . The mp4 file had to download completely > and the .mov QT streamed immedi= ately...I=B9m using Safari for this. Oye. My > head is spinning. To get a = stream instead of a whole file download, you want to pass the URL to the r= enderer instead of the file. A common way to do that is with a playlist t= hat contains the URL. Create a file like called makemedia01.m4u containing= this one line: http://eric.blognews.com/makemedia01.mp4 Then make sure th= e mime type is set correctly by adding this to .htaccess: AddType .m4u vide= o/vnd.mpegurl (See http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/video/vnd-m= pegurl for documentation on that mime type.) Lastly, point to your .m4u f= ile instead of the .mp4 file. > > Walnut Creek? You live out that way? I= =B9m in Silver Lake near Hollywood. Nice > piece. > > Shannon > > > > > > O= n 7/31/04 10:55 PM, "Eric Rice" <eric@...> wrote: > >> Okay, I hav= en't... [View]



Shannon's ASCII Dreams (was Re: [videoblogging] Inner workings)

By M. Sean Gilligan | "M. Sean Gilligan" <seanlist@...> | M_Sean_Gilligan
August 1, 2004 | Post #494 | Topic #481

There are such beings, they love this movie: http://www.ljudmila.org/~vuk/ascii/deep.htm -- Sean >I use to have this dream that there were beings that perceiveds the world in ascii format.....so that if I took the ascii equivalent of a pornographic image and printed it out that the recipient of such bombastulence could par take in such a thing and then experience orgasmic stimulation. RGB space would be unnecessary. > >.s > -- [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 1, 2004 | Post #503 | Topic #481

On 01/08/2004, at 4:10 PM, Shannon Noble wrote: > > I am greatly confuse= d by the difference between the mp4 download vs. > the .mov download and t= his is a great frustration. Naturally I want > global access and return an= d immediate read/stream. So why does one > format and browser show me imme= diate stream and another waits till the > entire piece downloads as is suc= h the case here. The mp4 file had to > download completely and the .mov QT= streamed immediately...I=92m using > Safari for this. Oye. My head is spi= nning. > > there isn't any difference. an mp4 is a particular file format = as ratified by the appropriate consortium. .mov is a file format used by = QuickTime. its liek the difference betwen rtf and doc, they're just format= s, both download just the same way. difference in presentation: one is fas= t start, the other probably isn't. fast start means key data at head of fi= le so video can play before all data downloaded. non fast start means this= data is not at head of file so entire file needs to be downloaded before = it can play. it isn't an issue at your end, but at the compression end. c= heers Adrian Miles ........................................................= ......... hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networ= ked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.= au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 1, 2004 | Post #504 | Topic #481

--0-1763983268-1091416505=:7455 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 2 Aug 2004, Adrian Miles wrote:> > On 01/08/2004, at 4:10 PM, Shan= non Noble wrote: > >> >> I am greatly confused by the difference between t= he mp4 download vs. >> the .mov download and this is a great frustration. N= aturally I want >> global access and return and immediate read/stream. So w= hy does one >> format and browser show me immediate stream and another wait= s till the >> entire piece downloads as is such the case here. The mp4 file= had to >> download completely and the .mov QT streamed immediately...I=92m= using >> Safari for this. Oye. My head is spinning. > > there isn't any di= fference. an mp4 is a particular file format as > ratified by the appropria= te consortium. .mov is a file format used by > QuickTime. its liek the diff= erence betwen rtf and doc, they're just > formats, both download just the s= ame way. > > difference in presentation: one is fast start, the other proba= bly > isn't. fast start means key data at head of file so video can play > = before all data downloaded. non fast start means this data is not at > head= of file so entire file needs to be downloaded before it can play. It migh= t also be that the browser had to download the whole mp4 file... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Inner workings

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 1, 2004 | Post #505 | Topic #481

On 02/08/2004, at 1:15 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote: > It might also be that the browser had to download the whole mp4 file > before handing it off to the media player, which is an issue that > comes up > when you use an external helper app versus a plugin. That's why I > wrote > up how to make a playlist containing just the URL of the mp4 file. good point Lucas, I was showing my macintosh QT bias there since i use the QT plugin to handle mpeg4 :-) cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]