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Automated vloging by script

By antipast0@yahoo.com | antipast0@... | antipast0
August 2, 2004 | Post #514 | Topic #514

Hello all! I was asked to join this group. I sometimes work on the projects at http://writtorrent.sf.net One of my utilities would come in handy for those wishing to vlog and use BitTorrent to do it. It would do the automatic blog posting via XML-RPC of a .torrent of a file's info from your local machine. You would still have to come up with: - move movie to torrent-seeding location (dos move or linux mv) - making a torrent (solved, command line utility) - uploading the torrent to your blog hosting (solved, blogger.com and others support "scp" secure copy (an ftp replacement using SSL)) - startup local torrent for seeding - blog post with link to .torrent & details (my part) - a script to combine all of the above (what we're talking about here) Then, you could just execute that script against whatever... MPEG, MOV, etc... It would move it into your BT folder, make a torrent file, start seeding, upload the actual torrent to your hosting, and then post a blog entry with the link to the .torrent. Any handy shell scripting types available out there? My utilities use very basic C#, so mono could run them on Linux. All other utilities are equally or better in being cross platform. All we would need is a set of scripts. I'm finishing my Torrent2Blog utility, which opposed to TorrentBlogger's Blogger API, uses the metaWeblog API compatible with Radio and... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Automated vloging by script

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 3, 2004 | Post #519 | Topic #514

Thomas, glad you joined up. some of us dont script or program in this group. could you explain in layman's terms what your utility would do? how would it make my videoblogging process easier. right now I: 1. record clips and download onto my computer 2. edit with imovie 3. export to quicktime 4. post to my blog what Im looking for is one tool that does all this at once. ive got it pretty easy with my mac. i think Pc users got it more difficult. Jay Quoting antipast0@...: > Hello all! I was asked to join this group. I sometimes work on the > projects at http://writtorrent.sf.net > > One of my utilities would come in handy for those wishing to vlog and > use BitTorrent to do it. > > It would do the automatic blog posting via XML-RPC of a .torrent of a > file's info from your local machine. > > You would still have to come up with: > > - move movie to torrent-seeding location (dos move or linux mv) > - making a torrent (solved, command line utility) > - uploading the torrent to your blog hosting (solved, blogger.com and > others support "scp" secure copy (an ftp replacement using SSL)) > - startup local torrent for seeding > - blog post with link to .torrent & details (my part) > - a script to combine all of the above (what we're... [View]



Re: Automated vloging by script

By antipast0@yahoo.com | antipast0@... | antipast0
August 3, 2004 | Post #522 | Topic #514

> could you explain in layman's terms what your utility would do? Jay, I guess I was more trying to handle the problems with posting and needing more bandwidth / speed for the videos by using BitTorrent (p2p) to share the video with people. The script or program would automate that... preparing the file for sharing with BT, and the blog post... You could associate filetypes with the script (or drag & drop into an icon for it) a movie file, and it would post and start "seeding" the file via BT immediately. Thanks, Thomas [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Automated vloging by script

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
August 3, 2004 | Post #523 | Topic #514

Bittorrent is confusing. My concern was that I had to serve the file from my local computer, but after reading your message, it sounds like I can put it on my host, 1&1.com Is that right? If so, I'd like to try it with some of my videos. Thanks, --Steve On Aug 3, 2004, at 8:42 AM, antipast0@... wrote: >> could you explain in layman's terms what your utility would do? > > Jay, > > I guess I was more trying to handle the problems with posting and > needing more bandwidth / speed for the videos by using BitTorrent > (p2p) to share the video with people. > > The script or program would automate that... preparing the file for > sharing with BT, and the blog post... You could associate filetypes > with the script (or drag & drop into an icon for it) a movie file, > and it would post and start "seeding" the file via BT immediately. > > Thanks, > > Thomas > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > --------- [ Please Note ] --------- If my email hosting service is rejecting your replies, please give me a phone call. It's not you, it's them! [View]



Re: Automated vloging by script

By antipast0@yahoo.com | antipast0@... | antipast0
August 3, 2004 | Post #525 | Topic #514

Well, its a combo of both... BT makes a .torrent file... this is sort of a treasure map that can be widely distributed. That .torrent file contains information like a) where can I find out who has this file right now? c) how many files are there? d) what are the files called? etc... So, yes, you would have the file on your local machine, and then you'd publish your .torrent file on your blog. There are already TONS of people that distribute .torrent files via RSS, so blogging with this sort of file would actually be somewhat of an emerging standard. So, you have it on your local machine, and then everyone out in the world gets the .torrent file... Their computers then start to request the file from your machine. Once you have uploaded to atleast 1 or 2 other people, the distribution of the file is then exponentially increased as then those two people probably upload to 1 or 2 each, and so on. So, it would probably only be practical for those with broadband connections simply because they're always on, but you could very well do this dialup. The big concern is that if video blogs get big, you want to maximize your exposure (BT certainly does that), but you don't want to tax your hosting company (especially with the added bandwidth of people downloading!)... The more popular your video blog, the faster downloads will be... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Automated vloging by script

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 3, 2004 | Post #526 | Topic #514

A comment on RSS, videoblogging and BitTorrent: if you're using RSS enclosures, you really really want to be serving BitTorrents. If you're not serving BitTorrents, you probably don't want to be using RSS enclosures. - Lucas On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 antipast0@... wrote: > Well, its a combo of both... > > BT makes a .torrent file... this is sort of a treasure map that can > be widely distributed. That .torrent file contains information like > a) where can I find out who has this file right now? c) how many > files are there? d) what are the files called? > > etc... > > So, yes, you would have the file on your local machine, and then > you'd publish your .torrent file on your blog. > > There are already TONS of people that distribute .torrent files via > RSS, so blogging with this sort of file would actually be somewhat of > an emerging standard. > > So, you have it on your local machine, and then everyone out in the > world gets the .torrent file... Their computers then start to request > the file from your machine. > > Once you have uploaded to atleast 1 or 2 other people, the > distribution of the file is then exponentially increased as then > those two people probably upload to 1 or 2 each, and so on. > > So, it would probably only... [View]



Torrents/rss enclosures (was re: vlogging script)

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
August 3, 2004 | Post #527 | Topic #514

The notion of RSS enclosures scare me and confuse me all in the same capacity. I mean, it really does *sound* good, but I think it can be potentially abused. The other thing is I can't find anything practical to GET enclosures. BitTorrent has promise, but as a tech tool, like p2p. Kids and Nerds (that pretty much sums up 'tech' today). I can't begin to fathom how to explain the torrent notion to the world at large. I'm still workin on getting them to understand blogging. Are these (enclosures/torrents) just slated to be transparent technologies that will never be visible to the general public and absorbed IN to some bigger product? I'm finding that I want to deal less and less with figuring these things out. Maybe I'm getting old and tired (haha), but I don't want to hassle with 'em. I can get them other ways and deal with the slight inconveniences. it's okay. Really. Just some thoughts. E --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@p...> wrote: > > A comment on RSS, videoblogging and BitTorrent: if you're using RSS > enclosures, you really really want to be serving BitTorrents. If you're > not serving BitTorrents, you probably don't want to be using RSS > enclosures. > > - Lucas > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 antipast0@y... wrote: > > > Well, its a combo of both... > > > > BT makes a .torrent file... this is... [View]



New Post

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 3, 2004 | Post #528 | Topic #514

--B_3174379382_683103 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I just put a new one up today: http://x.nnon.tv/ Right now a lot of what = I=B9m running into is experiment and test and dealing with various problems= that are coming up. My pipeline is slowing down for the moment. For instan= ce....I want to edit everything in Final Cut and with the source material i= ntact. My camera shoots MPEG4 at three different sizes and I=B9m generally = shooting at 320x240. I also want to edit in this format if possible to cut = down on extra processing. Final Cut will handle the image but not the sound= from the camera so it has to write the audio every time I load or edit in = a new clip to the timeline though this is more annoying as it does re-write= the audio quickly, but then there are other issues such as gliching dissol= ves when rendering the final edit to MP4 so now I render to photo-jpeg to a= void this and then put it back to MP4 when I run it all through Cleaner whi= ch has its own issues as well. That=B9s one aspect. The next is that my sho= oting strategy has to change as well. If I have an idea about how much I=B9= m going to be crunching a piece in the end I=B9ve may want to be concerned = more about issues of panning speeds, lighting,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Torrents/rss enclosures (was re: vlogging script)

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 3, 2004 | Post #529 | Topic #514

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Eric Rice wrote: > The notion of RSS enclosures scare me and confuse me all in the same capacity. I mean, it > really does *sound* good, but I think it can be potentially abused. The other thing is I can't > find anything practical to GET enclosures. BitTorrent has promise, but as a tech tool, like > p2p. Kids and Nerds (that pretty much sums up 'tech' today). I can't begin to fathom how > to explain the torrent notion to the world at large. I'm still workin on getting them to > understand blogging. > > Are these (enclosures/torrents) just slated to be transparent technologies that will never > be visible to the general public and absorbed IN to some bigger product? For now enclosures really only exist for Radio Userland users, so there isn't really an answer to that, but my guess is that it would be invisible to the general public. There's a very small number of people interested in what, if anything, we should do about enclosures. I disabled enclosures (temporarily? don't know) in webjay feeds because of the bandwidth abuse. > I'm finding that I want to deal less and less with figuring these things out. Maybe I'm > getting old and tired (haha), but I don't want to hassle with 'em. I can get them other ways > and deal with the slight inconveniences. it's okay. Really. There's... [View]



Re: Torrents/rss enclosures (was re: vlogging script)

By antipast0@yahoo.com | antipast0@... | antipast0
August 3, 2004 | Post #530 | Topic #514

I think that the nail is being hit on the head. We're bluring the technical and user aspects. Technically, RSS enclosures would be good as they denote, in a feed, the media available and the MIME type of that media. I can understand bandwidth issues with WebJay... that's a red flag for "the good stuff is here!!!" ... With BitTorrent, then you're actual bandwidth used, from a hosting perspective, would be the .torrent text files which are very, very small, but could be a problem in the future. Ideally, an enclosure mirroring or something could be cool... or BT has an emerging XML format that is coming up... you could encode the info for a BT download in the blog post itself. From a USER standpoint... I think a lot of headway is being made technically so that you could make a round-trip product. There already exists entire BT libraries in C++, so the only thing to code would be a standard by which to actually operate, and the interface. Thomas [View]



New Post

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
September 11, 2004 | Post #1137 | Topic #514

http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html Using footage from some of you here. .s --This is Vlog: http://x.nnon.tv/ ------ End of Forwarded Message [View]



Re: [videoblogging] New Post

By Lisa Harper | Lisa Harper <lisah2u@...> | lisah2u
September 11, 2004 | Post #1139 | Topic #514

--0-1029983732-1094941248=:80240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An interesting video. The music encourages the viewer to create coherence while watching. I guess we can't help try to make sense of events... Lisa Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote: http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html Using footage from some of you here. .s --This is Vlog: http://x.nnon.tv/ ------ End of Forwarded Message Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Lisa Harper --0-1029983732-1094941248=:80240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <DIV>An interesting video. The music encourages the viewer to create coherence while watching.  I guess we can't help try to make sense of events...</DIV> <DIV>Lisa<BR><BR><B><I>Shannon Noble <sn@...></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT><BR><BR><BR><A href="http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html">http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html</A><BR><BR>Using footage from some of you here.<BR><BR>.s<BR><BR><BR>--This is Vlog: <A href="http://x.nnon.tv/">http://x.nnon.tv/</A><BR><BR><BR>------ End of Forwarded Message<BR><BR></TT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><A href="http://www.lisaharper.org">Lisa Harper</a> --0-1029983732-1094941248=:80240-- [View]



Re: [videoblogging] New Post

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
September 11, 2004 | Post #1140 | Topic #514

I agree with you about the music and coherency. I=B9m not sure if its an in= sult to others or just laziness on my part. On another note I was invite= d to do a presentation on vlogging/vogging for L.A. Freewaves this coming N= ovember. I'd gone to a party this afternoon and someone asked what I was up= to and I responded and was invited to do a presentation immediately. I exp= lained it as a group effort and did not imply that it was something I was d= oing on my own so I will present it as a group concept and talk about our v= ideo blogging efforts and implications. I'll be trowling for material over = the next couple months if I decided to do it. L..A. Freewaves is a very go= od week long video fest in Los Angeles that runs bi-yearly. http://www.fr= eewaves.org/newSplash.htm I was quite surprised when I was asked to do thi= s. .s On 9/11/04 3:20 PM, "Lisa Harper" <lisah2u@...> wrote: > An= interesting video. The music encourages the viewer to create coherence > w= hile watching. I guess we can't help try to make sense of events... > Lisa= > > Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> http://x.nnon.tv/blo= g/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html >> >> Using footage from some of you her= e. >> >> .s >> >> --This is Vlog: http://x.nnon.tv/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] New Post

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
September 14, 2004 | Post #1160 | Topic #514

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:51:44 -0700, Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote: > http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html > > Using footage from some of you here. I watched it when you put it on archive.org earlier. There I was disappointed to see that you had chosen to make it available under the NoDerivs license. Was that a mistake or why did you choose this? It just seems wrong to me that while you are counting on others to provide you footage, you don't want any to reuse your material. Remember that if you are using footage license with a sharealike license you have to make your work available under the same license. This could lead to some interesting problems where a movie is made up of clips with different sharealike licenses... - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] New Post

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
September 14, 2004 | Post #1161 | Topic #514

Now that you pointed that out I will change it. At the time I was confused enough by the procedure of getting something online plus figuring out what the licensing meant....well I pushed a couple buttons. Yours too. I'll fix it if that's able. I don't quite understand the licensing concept anyways. On 9/14/04 10:35 AM, "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:51:44 -0700, Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote: > >> http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html >> >> Using footage from some of you here. > > I watched it when you put it on archive.org earlier. There I was > disappointed to see that you had chosen to make it available under the > NoDerivs license. Was that a mistake or why did you choose this? > > It just seems wrong to me that while you are counting on others to provide > you footage, you don't want any to reuse your material. > > Remember that if you are using footage license with a sharealike license > you have to make your work available under the same license. This could > lead to some interesting problems where a movie is made up of clips with > different sharealike licenses... > > - Andreas --This is Vlog: http://x.nnon.tv/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] New Post

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
September 14, 2004 | Post #1162 | Topic #514

--B_3178003839_481111 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ok. I changed it. I was mostly concerned about commercial use. Thing is = I didn=B9t really care about the part that gives =B3attribution=B2. I don= =B9t really need to be credited....but there seems to be no option for this= . I just don=B9t want commercial use on it. http://www.archive.org/movies/= details-db.php?collection=3Dopensource_movies&co llectionid=3Drevenge2 O= n 9/14/04 10:38 AM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@...> wrote: > Now that you poi= nted that out I will change it. At the time I was confused > enough by the = procedure of getting something online plus figuring out what > the licensin= g meant....well I pushed a couple buttons. Yours too. I'll fix > it if that= 's able. I don't quite understand the licensing concept anyways. > > > On= 9/14/04 10:35 AM, "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> wrote: > >>= > On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:51:44 -0700, Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote: >>= > >>> >> http://x.nnon.tv/blog/_archives/2004/9/11/138589.html >>> >> >>= > >> Using footage from some of you here. >> > >> > I watched it when you = put it on archive.org earlier. There I was >> > disappointed to see that yo= u had chosen to make it available under the >> > NoDerivs license. Was that= a mistake or why did you choose this? >> > >> > It just seems wrong to me= that while you are counting on others to provide >> > you footage,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] New Post

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
September 14, 2004 | Post #1163 | Topic #514

I hope I didn't sound harsh. I really enjoyed the video, but I was disappointed about the license that's all (now if you've actually violated a sharealike license I would've been annoyed). You can read all about creative commons at <http://creativecommons.org/&gt; And you should be able to get educated on Fair Use in any book on media law. When you are doing works like your revogs you can probably do a lot and still be covered by Fair Use. We have a great chance for making people aware of what they can and can't do in regards to copyrights because no many are videoblogging it's possible to get the word out to everyone. If everyone is aware of their rights (both as artists, consumers and artist/consumers) they will educate new videobloggers as they emerge. It's important to get these things right so we won't get percieved as 'thieves' the same way peer-to-peer music downloaders are. When I get around to updating the about page on my website I will make most of my content available under various creative commons licenses, and I expect those licenses to be respected. They say 'some rights reserved' not 'do whatever you'd like'. :o) - Andreas, who thinks copyright law is pretty good (it's the patent laws that are broken beyond repair). On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:38:18 -0700, Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote: > Now that you pointed that out I will change it. At... [View]



copyright

By contactmica | "contactmica" <contactmica@...> | contactmica
September 15, 2004 | Post #1168 | Topic #514

I was really impressed with the creative commons idea initially. Clearly with digital media and prevelance of sampling, the old way is not going to work. It makes sense that one should be able to determine the restrictions around the use of their material but ultimately becomes what all copyright law is - One Big Grey Area- especially were creativity and art are concerned. Enforcing any copyright law comes down to who has a better lawyer. If creative people ( and i mean the fringe - not the producers of mass/pop culture aka the ones that make the $$$) concerned themselves with what they are legally allowed to incroporate into their ideas and who might steal it from them - we'd be really screwed- we'd be allowing ourselves to be a cog in the machinery that is so rapidly homogenizing culture. Shoot, I could go on and on here, wasn't really prepared to make serious discourse right now, but i really want to push this discussion. Because I feel very strongly about this and it is such an important part of all we are discussing here. Its great to establish laws meant to protect the little guy (us) but these laws unfortunately work best when they are working against us. I know my take is perhaps defeatest, perhaps idealistic ? but I'd rather allow for appropriation of my work, that it may be a contribution to a larger whole that... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] copyright

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
September 15, 2004 | Post #1170 | Topic #514

..... > Digital media makes it harder and harder to keep people from 'stealing' > from each other - Ideally content makers should come to understand that >this a part of the contemporary structure and to incorporate it into their >practice. yeah, what she said. I think we're probably all on the same page. its common sense. use my stuff...my tool..my story..my pictures..my idea... but dont make it commercial(unless you pay me) and give me credit. i mentioned this before, but everyone should check out Lawrence Lessig's "free culture"... if i undersatnd correctly, he established the creative commons license. the book gives example after example of how things were...and then how just in the past 100 years has copyright/patents gone crazy. Everytime Mickey Mouse is about to pass into public domain the rules change...which is funny becasue Walt Disney created dynasty off of retelling "stolen" stories. Lessig says without the ability to use the sights and sounds around us in our work...we'll grow stagnant. our ideas grow old. our stories dull and untrue. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: [videoblogging] copyright

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
September 15, 2004 | Post #1171 | Topic #514

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:22:31 -0000, contactmica <contactmica@...> wrote: > It > makes sense that one should be able to determine the restrictions around > the > use of their material but ultimately becomes what all copyright law is - > One Big > Grey Area- especially were creativity and art are concerned. You've got the idea of CC backwards. With a CC license you are not setting up restrictions with a CC license, you are *removing* restrictions. You go from "All Rights Reserved" to "Some Rights Reserved". What you want (as I read it in this e-mail) is to remove copyright all together, and that's a Bad Thing (it would spell an end for any book that requires a lot of research, press photography and paid journalists). I like CC because I can share my work with an independent community, but disallow commercial use. I still retain my rights as a copyright holder, and I can sell my work if I can find a buyer. With no copyright (or with all my work in the public domain) I can never make money of my works. That would make me sad (and broke). Just think about how an author of a book would feel if he couldn't get paid for what he works with full time. now, *that* would limit creativity. As I mentioned somewhere else problems can arise when people sign over copyrights. I sign over copyright for... [View]