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It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
August 21, 2004 | Post #826 | Topic #826

It's not a video blog if it's on TV. If you are watching a video on your TV, that has been ripped from a video blog, it's not a 'video blog' anymore. It's just a video on a TV. All the supporting text is gone and there's no way to comment back to the creator. --Steve --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Deirdre Straughan, class of 81 | "Deirdre Straughan, class of 81" <lists@...> | deirdrebs2002
August 21, 2004 | Post #828 | Topic #826

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <steve@o...> wrote: > = It's not a video blog if it's on TV. > > If you are watching a video on yo= ur TV, that has been ripped from a > video blog, it's not a 'video blog' a= nymore. > > It's just a video on a TV. > > All the supporting text is gon= e and there's no way to comment back to > the creator. Okay, my turn to p= lay devil's advocate. Two questions come to mind: - Why can't the video st= and on its own? I looked at some of Jay's stuff today, and didn't think it = needed any print words - his narration and images already told the story. = - What if replies and comments could be made in video instead of text? NB= : I never had an actual blog until today, nor felt a need to; I already had= a publishing model that worked fine for the kinds of material I've been pr= oducing up til now. But, in order to see what it's all about, I've started = a blog, http://deirdres.typepad.com/deirdrestraughan/ - no video so far, I = am studying others' blogs to see how they're getting video into Typepad! b= est regards, Deirdr=E9 Straughan http://www.straughan.com [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 22, 2004 | Post #844 | Topic #826

On 22/08/2004, at 1:36 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: > > It's just a video on a TV. > > All the supporting text is gone and there's no way to comment back to > the creator. agree: 1. computer screens are domestic spaces not cinema screens 2. users own their computer screens (unlike tv and cinema screens) 3. video blogs need to recognise this 4. users are time poor 5. users are bandwidth poor 6. users are screen poor so video blogs ought to: be small be short not assume ownership of other's screens/times/space cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
August 22, 2004 | Post #845 | Topic #826

--Apple-Mail-1--1045986766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed "ought to, ought to..." I have different types of video on human-dog.com, = some are vidblogs and some aren't. To me, the distinctions come during th= e creation of the video, but are still something I have a hard time pinnin= g down concretely when I reflect on it. what parameters define a vidblog = are personal. The below may work for you, but not for another. To me, ove= rly strict definitions are antithetical to this whole process. Are there b= oundaries that separate what is a vidblog and what isn't? Probably. But I= 'm not too eager to begin laying down anything approaching rules. chris = On Aug 22, 2004, at 9:21 PM, Adrian Miles wrote: > > On 22/08/2004, at 1:= 36 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: > > > > > It's just a video on a TV. > > > = > All the supporting text is gone and there's no way to comment back > to= > > the creator. > agree: > 1. computer screens are domestic spaces not= cinema screens > 2. users own their computer screens (unlike tv and cinem= a screens) > 3. video blogs need to recognise this > 4. users are time po= or > 5. users are bandwidth poor > 6. users are screen poor > > so video= blogs ought to: > be small > be short > not assume... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 22, 2004 | Post #846 | Topic #826

On 23/08/2004, at 11:42 AM, Christopher Weagel wrote: > what parameters define a vidblog are personal. The below may work for > you, but not for another. no, they're not :-) That's like saying what makes a western a western is a personal definition. It isn't. We're talking about genres and we're defining the genre right now through our practice. I'd suggest the definition will include something about the personal, but following Steve's comment about videoblog on tv, there presumably will be something about a videoblog that makes it a videoblog rather than a blog, or video. That's not a personal definition, at best it is a socially defined one. > > To me, overly strict definitions are antithetical to this whole > process. of course, but hard questions and responses like yours help a lot :-) > > Are there boundaries that separate what is a vidblog and what isn't? > > Probably. yep, see above. > > But I'm not too eager to begin laying down anything approaching rules. > well, we could call them something else, but just as there are things that define a blog and separate a blog from a diary or a journal, it will be the same here. (btw, i'm not looking for an argument, more puckish than pugulist.) cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
August 22, 2004 | Post #849 | Topic #826

--Apple-Mail-1--1039611254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed >> 1. computer screens are domestic spaces not cinema screens I agree. = >>2. users own their computer screens (unlike tv and cinema screens) I a= gree, but what does that imply? Often on movie trailer sites the option fo= r full screen is offered which completely takes over the user's screen. Th= e user chooses to let this happen, but after making that choice, they have= given up control for the next few minutes. >>3. video blogs need to reco= gnise this >>4. users are time poor >>5. users are bandwidth poor >>6. u= sers are screen poor These assume a worst case scenario. That's good becau= se we want to make these things as easy to view as possible by as many peo= ple. But this shouldn't preclude a creator from considering a Best Case sc= enario. There may not be as many but there could be users with time to dev= ote to this, that have fast connections (and creators that have lots of b= andwidth) and want to devote time on the computer to vidblogs. Again it's = not going to be the majority, but those users will exist. >>so video blo= gs ought to: >>be small >>be short >>not assume ownership of other's = screens/times/space I still see that as limiting potential creativity. >= >That's like saying what makes a western a western is a personal definiti= on.... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
August 23, 2004 | Post #851 | Topic #826

On Aug 22, 2004, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Weagel wrote: > >>That's like saying what makes a western a western > is a personal definition. It isn't. > > How is limiting the length of a vidblog not a personal definition? A > western could be feature length or 15 minutes long. > I understand the technical justification for it, but that doesn't > apply to all users. A Western that a friend of mine made with vegetables: http://www.jeffu.tv/spaghetti/index.html --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Deirdre Straughan, class of 81 | "Deirdre Straughan, class of 81" <lists@...> | deirdrebs2002
August 23, 2004 | Post #852 | Topic #826

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Weagel <humandog@c...> wr= ote: > > > >> 1. computer screens are domestic spaces not cinema screens= > > I agree. Hmm, but... the lines are blurring. All these "home media c= enters" coming out now are intended to let us show content from the PC on t= he TV (they mostly delicately skate around the question of where we're gett= ing this content from!). I do watch long videos on the computer when forced= to, but I'd much rather lounge on the sofa in front of the TV, especially = when it's something the whole family wants to watch. Now if I could combine= the comfort of the sofa with the control of the PC... best regards, Dei= rdr=C3=A9 Straughan http://www.straughan.com [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
August 23, 2004 | Post #853 | Topic #826

On Aug 23, 2004, at 7:34 AM, Deirdre Straughan, class of 81 wrote: > I'd much rather lounge on the sofa in front of the > TV, especially when it's something the whole family wants to watch. > Now if I could combine the comfort of the sofa with the control of the > PC... What about the resolution and size? Some of these videos might just be too small to watch on TV from your comfy couch across the room. I just saw the movie Garden State this weekend. I really liked it. I just went over to their web site and plan to spend a lot more time there watching the videos. http://www2.foxsearchlight.com/gardenstate/ The videos are small, but also very clear and stay on the same page. It's a good use of Flash. --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
August 23, 2004 | Post #854 | Topic #826

--Apple-Mail-1--998003313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed That's great! Chris On Aug 23, 2004, at 7:07 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: = > > On Aug 22, 2004, at 11:28 PM, Christopher Weagel wrote: > > > >>That= 's like saying what makes a western a western > >=A0 is a personal definit= ion. It isn't. > > > > How is limiting the length of a vidblog not a pers= onal definition? A > > western could be feature length or 15 minutes long.= > > I understand the technical justification for it, but that doesn't > = > apply to all users. > > A Western that a friend of mine made with vegeta= bles: > > http://www.jeffu.tv/spaghetti/index.html > > > > > ---------=A0 = [ Web Sites ]=A0 --------- > Steve Garfield Video Production > http://stev= egarfield.com > > Video Blog > http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ >= > Weblog: Off On A Tangent > http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ > > > > >= Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <81804_0804_c_300250a.gif> > <l.= gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go t= o: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubsc= ribe from this group, send an email to: > videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogr= oups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! = Terms of > Service. > > --Apple-Mail-1--998003313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 That's great! Chris On Aug 23,... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 23, 2004 | Post #855 | Topic #826

Is it a TV if it's showing video blogs? ...or is it a monitor. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 23, 2004 | Post #856 | Topic #826

> > I'd much rather lounge on the sofa in front of the > > TV, especially when it's something the whole family wants to watch. > > Now if I could combine the comfort of the sofa with the control of the > > PC... > > Some of these videos might just be too small to watch on TV from your > comfy couch across the room. This is why the vision would work like this: 1. you have a Bit-torent program on your computer. (bit-torrent is a file sharing mechanism that downloads huge files from multiple servers at once) 2. you subscribe to certain videoblogs. 3. in the background, the bittorent software downloads DVD quality videos(maybe just overnight). 4. in the morning, you wake up and play these DVD quality videos on your big TV screen. Your computer automatically erases older videos..or the ones you dont save...just like Tivo. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By contactmica | "contactmica" <contactmica@...> | contactmica
August 23, 2004 | Post #857 | Topic #826

interesting so many diffrent visions personally i prefer to watch short installments on somekind of mobile device (one tha i could plug into a larger screen if i wanted) and watch when i have a minute here and there -- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay Dedman <jay@m...> wrote: > > > > I'd much rather lounge on the sofa in front of the > > > TV, especially when it's something the whole family wants to watch. > > > Now if I could combine the comfort of the sofa with the control of the > > > PC... > > > > > Some of these videos might just be too small to watch on TV from your > > comfy couch across the room. > > This is why the vision would work like this: > 1. you have a Bit-torent program on your computer. > (bit-torrent is a file sharing mechanism that downloads huge files from > multiple servers at once) > 2. you subscribe to certain videoblogs. > 3. in the background, the bittorent software downloads DVD quality > videos(maybe just overnight). > 4. in the morning, you wake up and play these DVD quality videos on your big > TV screen. > Your computer automatically erases older videos..or the ones you dont > save...just like Tivo. > > -- > Jay Dedman > Manhattan Neighborhood Network > 537 West 59th > NY NY 10019 > 212 757... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 24, 2004 | Post #865 | Topic #826

On 23/08/2004, at 1:28 PM, Christopher Weagel wrote: > I still see that as limiting potential creativity. ok, I'm all excited because finally there are people who care enough about this stuff to have opinions. :-) I guess we disagree on this. I don't see constraint in terms of frame size, resolution or bandwidth as a limit in this sense. I see constraint as integral to creativity, and the big issue in some forms of new media is the myth that there aren't constraints. or any we have will be gone in a few years. no constraint, no art, to paraphrase William Morris. so i don't see a necessary connection between a limit condition and limiting creativity. though i accept you see the points i made as limiting the possibilities then available. fair enough. > > >>That's like saying what makes a western a western > is a personal definition. It isn't. > > How is limiting the length of a vidblog not a personal definition? A > western could be feature length or 15 minutes long. > I understand the technical justification for it, but that doesn't > apply to all users. > length probably isn't the issue, since length is mutable online. now, when Jay writes: > 3. in the background, the bittorent software downloads DVD quality > videos(maybe just overnight). > 4. in the morning, you wake up and play these DVD quality videos on > your... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
August 24, 2004 | Post #872 | Topic #826

On Aug 23, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Lucas Gonze wrote: > Is it a TV if it's showing video blogs? > > ...or is it a monitor. It's both: http://www.webtv.net/pc/default.aspx Ha Ha! --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]