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question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 26, 2004 | Post #950 | Topic #950

also, is there a way to enable video comments? imagine if there were no storage issues...is it even possible withe existing blogs? if not, what would we need to do to add video files to a comment? -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 26, 2004 | Post #951 | Topic #950

You mean something like a threaded message board, where the messages were videos? On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Jay Dedman wrote: > also, is there a way to enable video comments? > imagine if there were no storage issues...is it even possible withe existing > blogs? > if not, what would we need to do to add video files to a comment? > > -- > Jay Dedman > Manhattan Neighborhood Network > 537 West 59th > NY NY 10019 > 212 757 2670 ext.312 > http://www.mnn.org > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 26, 2004 | Post #953 | Topic #950

exactly. what if this is how collaborative videos started to be created... i post a video and then charlene, mica, and shannon each post a video comment...a thread develops. then somehow(maybe through an automatic playlist) you could play the original video folloed by all the comment videos togther. the viudeos could be just each of us talking to each other(like Steve's new videos)...or we talk to each other with edited examples of things we shoot in the street. Quoting Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...>: > > You mean something like a threaded message board, where the messages were > videos? > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Jay Dedman wrote: > > > also, is there a way to enable video comments? > > imagine if there were no storage issues...is it even possible withe > existing > > blogs? > > if not, what would we need to do to add video files to a comment? > > > > -- > > Jay Dedman > > Manhattan Neighborhood Network > > 537 West 59th > > NY NY 10019 > > 212 757 2670 ext.312 > > http://www.mnn.org > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 27, 2004 | Post #963 | Topic #950

On 27/08/2004, at 4:42 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > what if this is how collaborative videos started to be created... > i post a video and then charlene, mica, and shannon each post a video > comment...a thread develops. > then somehow(maybe through an automatic playlist) you could play the > original > video folloed by all the comment videos togther. > in QuickTime: <embed src="movieone.mov" height="320" width="240" QTNEXT1="<movietwo.mov>T<myself>" QTNEXT2="<moviethree.mov>T<myself>" QTNEXT3="<moviefour.mov>T<myself>" controller="true" autoplay="true"></embed> you can string 256 of them together. one plays after the other. you might need a space before the T, i'm not certain. there will be a lag between each one, particularly if they're off the network. QT has been able to do this since I think QT 3. the T<myself> bit means target Myself. tells the plugin to play the movie in the current plug in space. so to do a simple verison of what described wold work best if: 1. all had same dimension 2. once i test flash in QT might be able to include flash 3. just put previous people's vids first, then add yours at the end. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
August 28, 2004 | Post #989 | Topic #950

> what if this is how collaborative videos started to be created... > i post a video and then charlene, mica, and shannon each post a video > comment...a thread develops. > then somehow(maybe through an automatic playlist) you could play the > original > video folloed by all the comment videos togther. Like Sean has suggested on your weblog at <http://momentshowing.typepad.com/momentshowing/2004/08/my_latest_obses.html&gt; I would much prefer to use either TrackBacks or Pingbacks instead of regular comment forms. I've written a whole bunch while watching Denmark win yet another bronze at the olympics tonight: <http://www.solitude.dk/archives/2004_08.php#t20040828-23:11&gt; And a quote: "What you will most likely have is person A creating a video that is commented on by B, C and D. D will also comment on E. E and F will comment on B and finally G will comment on F and A. You don't make an automated playlist of that. Instead you let the user (the reader) make their own navigation through the conversation, just like you navigate through webpages to create your own story." - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 28, 2004 | Post #990 | Topic #950

> <http://www.solitude.dk/archives/2004_08.php#t20040828-23:11&gt; > > And a quote: > "What you will most likely have is person A creating a video that is > commented on by B, C and D. D will also comment on E. E and F will comment > on B and finally G will comment on F and A. You don't make an automated > playlist of that. Instead you let the user (the reader) make their own > navigation through the conversation, just like you navigate through > webpages to create your own story." everyone should read Andreas's latest post. (welcome back andreas. you still on vacation??? lucky dog) seems no one else is as excited about video commenst as I am. maybe what im talking about is something Rob and the deaf commmunity proposed. a Video Wiki. I think David Wolfe may have also written about the idea. indivdual videoblogs are cool. love em. but as i get to know you all and we each make our work, i wish there was a way to work togther. yes, non-linear hyperlink madness is cool, but there must be a way for us to make something togther. one person start..someone else add on..then another...and another...and then you have a whole video of different perspectives on the same topic. i want to be able to see this togther without having to jump all around the net. non-linear is one kind of power. linear is another kind of... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
August 28, 2004 | Post #991 | Topic #950

> (welcome back andreas. you still on vacation??? lucky dog) Sadly I had to return to Denmark since school starts back up bright and early Monday morning. I flew back the night between Thursday and Friday, and the jetlag is still killing me. That's why I'm still not alseep now... at 3 am in the damn morning. > yes, non-linear hyperlink madness is cool, but there must be a way for > us to > make something togther. > one person start..someone else add on..then another...and another...and > then > you have a whole video of different perspectives on the same topic. > i want to be able to see this togther without having to jump all around > the > net. > non-linear is one kind of power. linear is another kind of power as well. > > so please respond to this point because its all i can think about lately. I'll make and host a proof-of-concept type entry. The programming isn't hard - that part I worked out in my head in 40 minutes when I was trying to sleep. I'll just have to come up with an video entry that people can comment on. :o) Expect something Monday morning, or thereabout. I'm bound to run into some kind of trouble with the programming. It'll be a SMIL file (thanks for introducing them, Peter!) since I don't have the kind of brain power it would take to... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 29, 2004 | Post #992 | Topic #950

> It'll be a SMIL file (thanks for introducing them, Peter!) since I don't > have the kind of brain power it would take to physically stich together > the different videofiles on the server (with different codecs and all that > kind of stuff). With a bit of luck the viewer should not see the > difference. cool. will it stich the videos togtehr automatically or will each of us need to upload the SMIL code? ill be hungrily waiting to see.. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: question #2

By Deirdré Straughan | =?iso-8859-1?q?Deirdr=E9_Straughan?= <lists@...> | deirdrebs2002
August 29, 2004 | Post #993 | Topic #950

i wish there was a way to work togther. > yes, non-linear hyperlink madnes= s is cool, but there must be a way for us to > make something togther. > o= ne person start..someone else add on..then another...and another...and then= > you have a whole video of different perspectives on the same topic. > i= want to be able to see this togther without having to jump all around the = > net. > non-linear is one kind of power. linear is another kind of power = as well. > > so please respond to this point because its all i can think a= bout lately. Yes, I want to see video evolve into conversation, both in re= al-time and in a blog format. > > here's something esle. > does anyone ca= re to get these videos onto TV? Yes. best regards, Deirdr=E9 Straughan = http://www.straughan.com [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
August 29, 2004 | Post #998 | Topic #950

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:01:57 -0500, Jay Dedman <jay@...> wrote: > will it stich the videos togtehr automatically or will each of us need to > upload the SMIL code? > ill be hungrily waiting to see.. Everything is automatic. To display the video on your own blog you just have to embed the SMIL file like you embed normal videos. From a users point of view it works exactly like the video Peter made of all the videoblogging week videos. With the exception that new movies can be added by everyone. I actually finished writing the code about an hour ago, but you will have to wait until tomorrow. I have to record a video you guys can add comments to -- TOPIC SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME! After we test this I will post the code here and on my website in case someone either wants to: a) Use it on their own weblog. or b) Create more features. - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 29, 2004 | Post #999 | Topic #950

awesome. obviously youll post an explainer as well. why dont you confess something? Quoting Andreas Haugstrup <videoblog@...>: > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:01:57 -0500, Jay Dedman <jay@...> wrote: > > > will it stich the videos togtehr automatically or will each of us need to > > upload the SMIL code? > > ill be hungrily waiting to see.. > > Everything is automatic. To display the video on your own blog you just > have to embed the SMIL file like you embed normal videos. From a users > point of view it works exactly like the video Peter made of all the > videoblogging week videos. With the exception that new movies can be added > by everyone. > > I actually finished writing the code about an hour ago, but you will have > to wait until tomorrow. I have to record a video you guys can add comments > to -- TOPIC SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME! > > After we test this I will post the code here and on my website in case > someone either wants to: > > a) Use it on their own weblog. > or > b) Create more features. > > - Andreas > -- > Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; > File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 31, 2004 | Post #1025 | Topic #950

On 29/08/2004, at 9:29 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > so please respond to this point because its all i can think about > lately. > i propose a video project that does what Jay asks. So one day one person posts, next day someone responds, and so on. Those with SMIL can build a player, i'll provide embed source code to make it work in quicktime (sorry, having trouble making swf work in QT at the moment), and i'll make a version of it too that does things with it in QT. Jay, how about you start. no. a better idea. Jay, you do one, those interested respond, sequence doesn't matter.... cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
August 31, 2004 | Post #1026 | Topic #950

On 29/08/2004, at 10:58 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: > It'll be a SMIL file (thanks for introducing them, Peter!) since I > don't > have the kind of brain power it would take to physically stich together > the different videofiles on the server (with different codecs and all > that > kind of stuff). With a bit of luck the viewer should not see the > difference. in Bergen we had a movie delivered via rtsp (becaue we needed random access), shown via SMIL (via QT plugin), which displayed text annotations. I wrote the text annotations via a web interface that stored them in a database. When you viewed content, say a particular clip, all the text annotations for that clip were available. this was a closed system but no reason it couldn't be public. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
August 31, 2004 | Post #1027 | Topic #950

i accept. watch for the first video coming up. Quoting Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...>: > > On 29/08/2004, at 9:29 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > > > so please respond to this point because its all i can think about > > lately. > > > > i propose a video project that does what Jay asks. So one day one > person posts, next day someone responds, and so on. Those with SMIL can > build a player, i'll provide embed source code to make it work in > quicktime (sorry, having trouble making swf work in QT at the moment), > and i'll make a version of it too that does things with it in QT. > > Jay, how about you start. > > no. a better idea. Jay, you do one, those interested respond, sequence > doesn't matter.... > > cheers > Adrian Miles > ................................................................. > hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian > interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog > research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]



Re: question #2

By contactmica | "contactmica" <contactmica@...> | contactmica
September 1, 2004 | Post #1029 | Topic #950

shoot! thought i already posted this but i guess it didnt go through to the group so maybe theres a repeat post of this if so please excuse --- Interesting idea - and very synchronous!!! because charlene (http://crule.typepad.com) and I (http://publicaddress.typepad.com) started something almost exactly like this on our videoblogs last week, we are calling it 'exquisite corpse' after the game played with drawings or text where one person picks up where the last left off. hoping that once we got it figured out others would join in took me a loooong time to get set up i ended up having to upgrade all my software just to get it so that i could import quicktime into imovie (now that im set its a whole new game for me knowing that i can pull from 'found' QT as well as original footage from my camera for my videos now!) hadnt yet figure out how to make them play one after another any suggestions ideas appreciated! does that last message mean that adrian's vlog roll program or something similar could be made for this purpose? that would be so perfect! cant wait to play with it also i have recently been posting RNC related video at http://momentshowing.typepad.com/election_peepshow --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay Dedman <jay@m...> wrote: > i accept. > watch for the first video coming up. > > > > Quoting Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@r...>: > > > > > On 29/08/2004, at... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
September 1, 2004 | Post #1030 | Topic #950

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:57:20 +1000, Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> wrote: > i propose a video project that does what Jay asks. So one day one > person posts, next day someone responds, and so on. Those with SMIL can > build a player, i'll provide embed source code to make it work in > quicktime (sorry, having trouble making swf work in QT at the moment), > and i'll make a version of it too that does things with it in QT. I wanted to get this online last night before all of you sent out all these e-mails. My FTP program decided to break, and I didn't want to deal with it so I waited until now to figure out a solution. Anyway, I put up a small video at: <http://www.solitude.dk/archives/2004_08.php#t20040831-22:55&gt; Anyone can add their own video comment to this entry, and each comment will be played after the original post. There are still some issues with Quicktime not loading the video the way I want it to, but I can't figure that out (I'm not a SMIL/QT expert). So have fun and add some comments so I can see how this works. The script only accepts quicktime movies (.mov files) and files should be less than 4 megabytes. I had this mostly ready Monday, but I had the hardest time getting anything edited. It seemed like no piece of software on my computer wanted to cooperate with... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: question #2

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
September 1, 2004 | Post #1045 | Topic #950

On 01/09/2004, at 4:32 PM, contactmica wrote: > hadnt yet figure out how to make them play one after another > any suggestions ideas appreciated! > does that last message mean that adrian's vlog roll program or > something > similar could be made for this purpose? > that would be so perfect! > cant wait to play with it 1. i could write a movie that uses child movies, say 3, 4, or 5. 2. there would a parent movie then a directory 3. in the directory you would put the other videos 4. the parent movie is what you put in your project, it would play each in turn but this means having work locally on your server (really quite pointless) so 1. just use qtnext in an embed tag or 1.b how about a movie that loads content from elsewhere with an xml file where you load urls you want to play in the parent movie? that would be very useful for these sorts of exercises, since the parent movie would load the other movies from where they reside on the network. One problem would be the size of the video, but you can make child movies fit whatever size the clip area of the parent is (so scale it up or down). this would be a good experiment. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Steve Garfield | Steve Garfield <steve@...> | sgarfield
September 1, 2004 | Post #1031 | Topic #950

Just keeps buffering when I try to play it. On Sep 1, 2004, at 5:11 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote: > Anyway, I put up a small video at: > <http://www.solitude.dk/archives/2004_08.php#t20040831-22:55&gt; --------- [ Web Sites ] --------- Steve Garfield Video Production http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ Weblog: Off On A Tangent http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
September 1, 2004 | Post #1032 | Topic #950

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:21:38 -0400, Steve Garfield <steve@...> wrote: > Just keeps buffering when I try to play it. Stupid thing. It's probably the slowness of the server. I had to put the video(s) on the university's server, because I don't have a lot of space on my own domain so if people started to add comment videos I'd run out of space quickly. Have you tried pausing quicktime and then waiting until a still frame appears (from the movie, not from the title image)? It looks like quicktime has to load the entire clip before it will play anything. It has to download a 3mb clip from a slow server so it takes a while... - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt; [View]



Re: [videoblogging] question #2

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
September 1, 2004 | Post #1033 | Topic #950

> Anyway, I put up a small video at: > <http://www.solitude.dk/archives/2004_08.php#t20040831-22:55&gt; > > Anyone can add their own video comment to this entry, and each comment > will be played after the original post. There are still some issues with > Quicktime not loading the video the way I want it to, but I can't figure > that out (I'm not a SMIL/QT expert). im going to try it out. looks great so far. you want to post the SMIL code and see if someone in the group can help smooth it out? but to be clear, this looks exactly what i had in mind. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th NY NY 10019 212 757 2670 ext.312 http://www.mnn.org [View]