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RE: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #21 | Topic #12

Mica sent me a link to this woman's website. she studies at the MIT media lab. looks like they'd developing the kind of video interface that Peter dreamed up. http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #22 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 1:18 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > Is anyone working on a blogging tool that you know of? I know that Aisling Kelliher was working on something like this, but I'm not sure where the project is up to. They were at the Media Lab at MIT and also MIT's Dublin Media Lab. they're videoblog is at: http://www.audiovisceral.net/ and more details at: http://web.media.mit.edu/~aisling/ also Eli at http://www.chapmanlogic.com/blog/ is working on stuff to do with prosumer tools that would achieve these sorts of things. btw eli has a good list of links. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #23 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 1:21 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > And if I have 500 people watch my video every day(not inconceivable), > I will > run out of bandwidth within a week. > Peter and I are talking about renting our own server and sharing the > costs with > other videobloggers. > > would anyone be interested? now i need to be careful here, but I can provide some hosting space/bandwidth from my server. it is in Australia (in a small room downstairs), but i can do this for you for free. the proviso's are: 1. the content must adhere to fair use provisions 2. it can't slander, vilify, etc 3. it must fit the research stuff i'm trying to support (providing some kickstart help for videoblogs is ok) 4. it is a research server which means there is definitely *no* 24/7 support and minimal backups are kept. given all that, is some people are interested in say 1Gb of free server space to serve from for a while, let me know and we'll see what we can come up with. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #24 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 5:56 AM, Yaron Samid wrote: > Now imagine a push-button desktop publishing tool and global network > leveraging the efficiencies of P2P with the convenience of a viewer > experience embedded directly in your blog. Subscribed viewers are > notified of your new post, launch your site, and watch the video > (which has already been delivered in the background to their local > disk) directly in your blog post. No server space, memory, or > bandwidth costs whatsoever. Does that model work? I'm confused by this, though intrigued. by p2p do you mean there may be multiple copies of the vog distributed via p2p to n clients so that when client x requests the video it is served from client y who already has it? cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #25 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 10:07 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > looks like they'd developing the kind of video interface that Peter > dreamed up. > http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html also check out http://weblogs.media.mit.edu/mupes/ to see the nokia project they're working on. > cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] some thoughts

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #26 | Topic #15

On 15/06/2004, at 8:49 PM, Eli Chapman wrote: > The problem I have with videoblogging (a problem I'm intent on > solving) is that it is not a natural extension of what I do with a > camera and computer. Text-based blogging is. I browse the web, I read > blogs, I link, I comment, I post. We were all doing it before > blogging existed, whether for ourselves, or on message boards, in > email, or in word docs. For videoblogging to be this natural, all the > video sources I consume and produce daily need to be available > (permalinked) for easy reference and annotation. That means films, > tv, dvds, and tapes. Then, when 1000s of videobloggers are doing the > same, the network of reference and usage and personality will emerge. > absolutely :-) i have a very old piece of work which is actually a sketch in photoshop that I turned into a QT movie, when you mouse into it it loads jpegs from a Norwegian newspaper's webcams. This is very straightforward to do in something like LiveStage, but it would also be relatively easy to make a movie that would let someone enter urls and the movie would display these urls. in fact I've got a MA student now who is doing something like this (he's not quite there yet but check out http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/~dpwolf) and is certainly about to start loading remote movies into... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 15, 2004 | Post #27 | Topic #12

isn't this what Bit Torrent is supposed to do? it seems too clunky to me. so today we've narrowed down the problems: --we need a simple interface that edits, optimizes, and posts video to a blog. --we need to solve the problem of storage so i can keep my archived video for years to come and have a permanent video presence on the web. --we need to solve the problem of bandwidth so I wont go broke if a bunch of people decide to follow my Moments day to day. The next thing is developing a langauge of videoblogging. > > On 16/06/2004, at 5:56 AM, Yaron Samid wrote: > > > Now imagine a push-button desktop publishing tool and global network > > leveraging the efficiencies of P2P with the convenience of a viewer > > experience embedded directly in your blog. Subscribed viewers are > > notified of your new post, launch your site, and watch the video > > (which has already been delivered in the background to their local > > disk) directly in your blog post. No server space, memory, or > > bandwidth costs whatsoever. Does that model work? > > I'm confused by this, though intrigued. > > by p2p do you mean there may be multiple copies of the vog distributed > via p2p to n clients so that when client x requests the video it is > served from client y... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #28 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 11:36 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > --we need to solve the problem of bandwidth so I wont go broke if a > bunch of > people decide to follow my Moments day to day. as is so often the case Ted Nelson's original ideas would have been handy here. He envisaged a system of micropayments for IP so that if you view my work i earn n cents. if i view your work you earn n cents. if i quote your work same deal. at the moment ISPs pay for bandwidth and data flow, then charge this down the line to end users. so the business model is basically wholesale v. retail, but Nelson's model is essentially P2P, and of course means if your content is popular you earn more, rather than pay more (the irony online remaining that if your content is popular it costs you, which is generally the reverse of other economic systems). cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: BloggerVision

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #29 | Topic #12

On 15/06/2004, at 5:09 PM, Yaron Samid wrote: > Quality of service, namely picture quality (resolution and screen > size) is important to mainstream viewer adoption. Its been proven > time and again in the media world. Cable TV killed that antenna on > top of your old TV set because of picture quality, not because of > the 100 channels you never watch. You'll be switching to and paying > extra for HDTV soon to. That being said, I've always felt the > plumbing is only worth the shit it delivers. Picture quality or not, > you're 100% correct, content is THE main driver of viewership and > always will be. I'm too far out of trad. media studies these days to know how accurate this is :-) But i'll still keep the hat on and suggest it is only half true. In Aust. cable uptake has been low, and in Britain it (I think) was kick started by Murdoch buying football rights and sticking it on the satellite. Here digital TV is being kicked off by home DVD + theatre, not to get the digital signal. People are buying bigger tvs with better sound systems so the extra few dollars for the decoder is no big deal, but it is still secondary. now, on top of that, keep in mind in the US you have NTSC and we have PAL (as does Europe) which does look better, so... [View]



Catching up

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
June 15, 2004 | Post #30 | Topic #30

I've been away from email for a few days, catching up. One thing I plan to do this summer is to travel for 2 months (in India), and I hope to be able to post videoblog entries. I'm trying to figure out how I could do that... On a related note, as Jay mentioned, we're thinking of sharing a server for videoserving. We can try it for a year. Cost would be about $10 a month, shared between 10 or 15 people. That would give us enough bandwidth to serve video, and the fact that we share it makes it a lot cheaper. Anyone interested? I'll post details of my research so far in hosting solutions later... Cheers! (PS: http://me-tv is the wiki I created with this list, feel free to add/change/edit it) [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Catching up

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 15, 2004 | Post #31 | Topic #30

On 16/06/2004, at 12:43 PM, petertheman wrote: > (PS: http://me-tv is the wiki I created with this list, feel free to > add/change/edit it) I'm getting domain not found, is the url correct or is this a new name and my local DNS not refreshed yet? ;-) cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] some thoughts

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 16, 2004 | Post #32 | Topic #15

The videoblogging wiki is http://www.me-tv.org we're trying to document all the ideas we're having. feel free to join in. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



getting the code for a videoblogging tool

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 16, 2004 | Post #33 | Topic #12

Adrian, I got in touch with the guy, Kow Atta-Mensah, who helped the MIT woman build a pseudo-videoblogging tool. http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html He said they built it a couple years ago. The only thing they didnt do was give it an FTP function. He said we could possibly get the code for it. would anyone be interested in figuring it out if we could get the code? "im sad to tell you that i haven't made an update to that software in almost a couple of years. it was an undergraduate research project i was helping with back at MIT. i recently graduated and left the institute. i am not sure, but aisling might have had someone take over my role. you can reach her at aisling@.... just tell her i pointed you to her. sadly, i dont even have my old source, but if she does i believe she would be willing to give it to you. sort of messy, but someone java savvy should be able to figure it out. if you have any questions, i'd be glad to answer them." "i dont believe i ever finished that part(FTP)... but there are lots of open source java ftp clients (and servers) available so making the addition is pretty simple. the recording capability i built in was fast for the time (for java anyways) and im sure newer versions of the quicktime and jmf apis have been released which will make... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] getting the code for a videoblogging tool

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 16, 2004 | Post #34 | Topic #12

On 16/06/2004, at 3:10 PM, Jay Dedman wrote: > I got in touch with the guy, Kow Atta-Mensah, who helped the MIT woman > build a > pseudo-videoblogging tool. > http://www.audiovisceral.net/facts/this.html > He said they built it a couple years ago. > The only thing they didnt do was give it an FTP function. > > He said we could possibly get the code for it. > would anyone be interested in figuring it out if we could get the code? well one possibility is that I try to get Apple University Consortium money here in Australia to finish it and release it. Though if it is MIT's then I'd assume they own it. Other suggestions welcome. I can't program Java but this is certainly I project I might be able to get funding for. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: getting the code for a videoblogging tool

By petertheman | "petertheman" <peter@...> | petertheman
June 16, 2004 | Post #35 | Topic #12

> Other suggestions welcome. I can't program Java but this is certainly I project I might be able to get funding for. There is a whole bunch of tools needed (videoblogging tools, aggregating tools, ...) for various audiences. And more importantly, standards are needed for those tools (Bittorrent for P2P, RSS enclosures for syndication, ...). Is anyone interested in outlining the various audiences and/or use cases and types of tools/standards we imagine together? We can put them on the me-tv.org wiki. Having good requirements might inspire someone to actually build these things :) As I said before, I started playing around with some requirements for one type of tool on the wiki (it's slow right now, cheap host!). PS: An article in the new scientist mentions videoblogging: http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/tech/article.jsp? id=99995015&sub=Communications "A pair of sunglasses that can detect when someone is making eye contact with the wearer has been developed by Canadian researchers. Besides being useful in singles bars, its inventors say the system could play a key role in video blogging, a hi-tech form of diary keeping." Jay actually has a pair of funky glasses (they look inconspicous in the Lower East Side in NYC) connected to a video recording device. Jay, wanna try out videoblogging with those? Cheers, Peter [View]



how would you use a videoblogging tool?

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 16, 2004 | Post #36 | Topic #12

We've been talking about devloping a vdieobloggin tool. which would be amazing if we could make happen. But my question is this: how would you use it? I subscribe to all the videoblogs I can find, and most update every two weeks to every two months. definitely not daily. is videoblogging was a more intuitive process would you post video daily? what would it be? i know some people are about short Moments, while others are into edited movies. Id like to hear from some of the people who havent posted yet. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]



Re: [videoblogging] how would you use a videoblogging tool?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 16, 2004 | Post #37 | Topic #12

On 17/06/2004, at 4:09 AM, Jay Dedman wrote: > how would you use it? well next year i have 50 students who will all be doing at least one small project around video blogs. so something that lets you: capture, do a quick cut, set in and out points, publish straight into your blog CMS. iMovie does everything except the last bit, but given the things out there for iPhoto to publish to a blog, etc, I'm assuming it would be possible to write a plug in for iMovie that would do this. not sure about the 95% of the world on pcs though. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



imovie and blogs

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
June 16, 2004 | Post #38 | Topic #38

hi all just had a quick look again at iMovie. it already publishes directly to a .mac account so probably via WebDav or similar. This means it should be relatively easy for someone to write a small hack that lets you publish to any web server. these already exist for iphoto and ical. apart from this iMovie already meets all the requirements. you can also publish only a nominated clip, so could if you wished just capture and publish all from the one application. cheers Adrian Miles ................................................................. hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: imovie and blogs

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | audioblogdotcom
June 16, 2004 | Post #39 | Topic #38

Hi all, just a quick note about iMovie. With a .mac account, it takes as little as 7 clicks to publish a videoblog, and that's just recording only, no editing-- just talking-head stuff. I wanted to throw in there that even though there are plenty of debates about 'what' a videoblog should be, I'm glad to see people are going ahead and just tackling it anyway. Of and of course it's close to my heart, being in the audioblog space and all. Cheers! Eric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@r...> wrote: > hi all > > just had a quick look again at iMovie. it already publishes directly to > a .mac account so probably via WebDav or similar. This means it should > be relatively easy for someone to write a small hack that lets you > publish to any web server. these already exist for iphoto and ical. > > apart from this iMovie already meets all the requirements. you can also > publish only a nominated clip, so could if you wished just capture and > publish all from the one application. > > > cheers > Adrian Miles > ................................................................. > hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian > interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog > research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: imovie and blogs

By Jay Dedman | Jay Dedman <jay@...> |
June 17, 2004 | Post #40 | Topic #38

> Hi all, just a quick note about iMovie. With a .mac account, it takes as > little as 7 clicks to > publish a videoblog, and that's just recording only, no editing-- just > talking-head stuff. Okay, Eric, can you list these seven steps? What about compression? Quicktime is pretty clunky. You got to get these video files SMALL if you want to have any kind of blog with updated videos. Ive found that Sorenson is the best game in town for small size and pretty decent quality. Steve (http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/) puts out great looking videos, but they're huge. 10MB+. imagine trying to do that daily. But again, this is how I see videoblogging. daily videos. -- Jay Dedman Manhattan Neighborhood Network 537 West 59th (between 10th and 11th Ave) NY NY 10019 http://www.mnn.org 212 757 2670 [View]