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Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Zadi | "Zadi" <karmagrrrl@...> | karmagrrrl
July 22, 2005 | Post #17961 | Topic #17917

Wow. I meant how "war" may be inevitable... invitability of peace sounds better though... > (...Wondering if this is how early settlers feel. How tribes form. How > wars are started. How peace may be inevitable as long as we are human > beings (this is where we should strive to rewire ourselves) ---- talk > about off-topic. :)) On vlogging/iTunes podcasting - here's an article: Is Apple Thwarting Independent Music Podcasters? Despite the widespread proliferation of podcasts through Apple's new iTunes version 4.9, it appears music podcasters that legally distribute independent music are being left behind and effectively locked out of the iTunes podcast directory, which is fast becoming the primary vehicle to find podcasts. http://musicpodcasting.org/ [View]



Re: [videoblogging] 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> | lucas_gonze
July 22, 2005 | Post #17962 | Topic #17917

On 7/22/05, Stephanie Bryant <mortaine@...> wrote: > And a possible 8= th: Vlogger-reviews: People post commentary about the > vlogs they're watch= ing, or reviews of vlogs, just as long as it > doesn't become a critique gr= oup or a recurring "OMG, Verdi is teh > bestest!!!" (i.e., re-reviewing the= same vlogs over and over and > over) I'd love to see that group happen. O= ne of the big things I use this group for is to find new stuff, but the del= uge of messages makes that less likely. [View]



[reviews] dr-phil-can-you-please-help

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> | lucas_gonze
July 22, 2005 | Post #17963 | Topic #17917

On 7/22/05, Richard <richardshow@...> wrote: > if > nothing else what= a great video Mel made that resulted from all the > commotion ... I strong= ly recommend it, if you haven't seen it ... it's > a classic ... > > http:= //melslife.org/archives/2005/07/20/dr-phil-can-you-please-help/ > > .. thi= s video, to me, demonstrates a great attitude and perspective - > by emphas= izing the humor it diffuses all the built up drama our minds > create - the= thing is, none of it's real, it's just our minds, it's > just life, it's f= unny, and we (including me) have an unfortunate > tendency to identify with= the drama our mind creates, rather than > just watching and appreciating = it ... That's a really funny video. I like it. I had a subconscious reac= tion that the video validated my experience hanging around the mail list. = It was that feeling you get when something you're involved in is covered on= television, something on the order of "now it's real". [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Clint Sharp | Clint Sharp <clint@...> | clint_sharp
July 22, 2005 | Post #17964 | Topic #17917

Andreas Haugstrup wrote: > And you left out the most important point. It is very hard to figure out > what's new and what's old in a forum compared the a mailing list. > There's > a lot of clicking around and reading old messages to find the new ones. > And forums are "dumb" in the sense that they will mark off all new > messages are "seen" even if you just pop in for a second to read one new > message. I cna think of a few ways to make forums more "clever", but I'm > not going to program a whole forum-package just for this (I also don't > want to pay the bandwidth bills). > > - Andreas > -- > <URL:http://www.solitude.dk/&gt; > Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. > Don't know when the last time you used a forum is, but all that stuff is not necessarily true depending on the package you use. I've seen packages that allow you to basically only mark threads as read when you read them, no matter when you go in, also solving the searching for messages you haven't read among the ones you have.. There are better packages out there. Bandwidth bills are a problem though. Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy & Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. [View]



[reviews] Eric Rice on communication

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> | lucas_gonze
July 22, 2005 | Post #17965 | Topic #17917

On 7/22/05, Markus Sandy <markus@...> wrote:> good points > E= ric Rice has posted an interesting video related to this > http://blog.eric= rice.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/21/1060030.html > i think he's also speaking= to all of us "quite clearly" Watching this, I was conscious of how much = Eric's voice and body language were carrying the information. The thing he= says is one thing -- "you have to take the trouble to read well" -- but hi= s voice and body language communicate something additional -- "this is impo= rtant to me". If you only read his words, you might take them as stuffy. = What the voice and body language do is help to understand the spirit behind= the words, which is something else completely. There's a recursiveness to= that, because if I only read the words and didn't have the video I'd proba= bly fail to get the point, and the point is that getting the point takes wo= rk sometimes. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Frank Carver | Frank Carver <frank@...> | frankefficacy
July 22, 2005 | Post #17966 | Topic #17917

I've been part of many on-line communities over the years, and (as has been mentioned here several times) there are a few common patterns that often happen. If you haven't already seen it, I strongly recommend reading Clay Shirky's "A Group is its own Worst Enemy" available at: http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html This group, however, is a little bit special. Many on-line communities live or die solely on the written words that form them. If a divisive "flame war" erupts, there is little or no way to try and defuse it that won't be taken as an attack by at least some participants. We are special because we have another channel, a rich and powerful one that can shine a bright light and reveal the inadvertent assumptions and misconceptions of text for what they are - a pale shadow of real communication. We have video. Many people have described this group as very friendly, helpful and civilised. In my opinion, one of the most important reasons is simply that we have a culture of sharing ourselves on video. Has anyone else noticed that the recent flare-ups have happened at times when there also seemed to be a drop-off in personal, heart-on-sleeve videoblog posts? My suggestion is simple. If you feel strongly. If you want to tell someone how you feel. If you think someone has misunderstood something ... Make a video. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk [View]



Re: [videoblogging] [reviews] Eric Rice on communication

By Michael Sullivan | Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> | sulleleven
July 22, 2005 | Post #17967 | Topic #17917

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Stephanie Bryant | Stephanie Bryant <mortaine@...> | mortaine
July 22, 2005 | Post #17968 | Topic #17917

For what it's worth, I didn't suggest a forum, just proposed what a few sub= -communities might be. I far prefer to read this list in my Gmail inbox, no= t on yet another website I have to check. And then Lucas comes along and j= ust effortlessly implemented it without splitting into separate lists or fo= rums or whatever: Subject line tags! Has the advantage of making topics/th= reads easily searchable and identifiable. I suggest that someone (else) st= andardize the tags, and that we all start using them ASAP. --Stephanie --= Stephanie Bryant mortaine@... http://www.mortaine.com [View]



Re: [videoblogging] [reviews] Eric Rice on communication

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> | lucas_gonze
July 22, 2005 | Post #17984 | Topic #17917

On 7/22/05, Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> wrote: > if you have e= nergetic outgoing passionate Jonny O telling you of some off > the wall rhe= toric conspriacy theory bullshit.... he will be held up and feet > kissed. = Hm. Good point. Steve Garfield's stuff jumps out of the monitor in a way= that a text blog doesn't, and now I realize it's because of his energetic = body language. By the way, the world will end in 94 seconds. I know this = is true because Steve said so. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By uwriteto | uwriteto <uwriteto@...> | yveywonder
July 22, 2005 | Post #17980 | Topic #17917

I had to stop reading the list for awhile, but I kept subscribing through g= mail. I don't know if the list has become unmanagable because it consists o= f more people than the human brain can handle, but maybe some guidelines Ma= ybe it would be useful to propose some guidelines for posting. For example= , in this post alone, I counted the at least seven different topics, includ= ing the original; the Tipping Point proposes a maximum of 150 people in a c= ohesive social group: we should split the list; there should be a forum; me= mbers should practice civility; some people use gmail to view the conversat= ion; iTunes may be thwarting independent videoblog and podcast producers; a= link to the common patterns in online communities. It would be helpful (es= pecially for those using gmail) if the topics of replies matched the subjec= t of the original message. Another thing I've noticed is that some people = post multiple messages in very short periods of time. Sorry to pick on you,= Michael, but you started the topic with a post at 10:46am, then posted aga= in at 11:59am and 1:42pm. If everyone who posts waits 24 hours before reply= ing again on a subject, maybe we'd see some different viewpoints. This may = be difficult, as the list changes so much in 24 hours that the subject you = were discussing the previous day may... [View]



[videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 23, 2005 | Post #17999 | Topic #17917

around the 22/7/05 Zadi mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: 150 - Group Tipping Point? that: >I've been a member of the group since I think October of last year, >and you do see a difference. Even though the numbers were steadily >increasing, there wasn't much change in the way the members of the >group communicated with one another. Then, yes, there did seem to be a >spike - a tipping point - a bubbling over, or whatever you may want to >call it. It's almost as if our brain cells can handle a fixed number >of information. Like there is a certain line where realizing the >similarities turns into noticing the differences. in this case I think it is that in the early days we had true early adopters around a common cause. Now it's a free for all and so we get trolls, people who think they want to video blog but apparently can't read the manuals that come with their cameras, computers, editing software and blogs (I know that rains on some parades but if this was, say, a doco list and someone asked naive questions like happen here you'd be told pretty quickly that you were confusing home movies with documentary practice). And good work and excellent ideas. The issue is not so much the size (I am on lists much bigger than this that still 'work') but the mix, it is specialised but keeps pretending it isn't... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Deirdre Straughan | Deirdre Straughan <deirdre.straughan@...> | deirdrebs2002
July 23, 2005 | Post #18004 | Topic #17917

On 7/22/05, Stephanie Bryant <mortaine@...> wrote: > And then Lucas = comes along and just effortlessly implemented it > without splitting into s= eparate lists or forums or whatever: > Subject line tags! I used to run a = very active forum about CD-recording (back when that was a hot new technolo= gy) which had a similar development cycle and eventually ran into similar p= roblems. We tried subject-line tagging and it worked pretty well, but in th= at case it was easily enforced because I moderated every single message bef= ore it was posted (I had to - this was a corporate-sponsored list). It's ha= rder to make it stick in an unmoderated group, but is certainly worth a try= , especially if we stay on each other (politely) to do it. It's especially = useful to use very basic Mac/PC tags, so that at least Mac and PC people ca= n more easily ignore each others' questions about specific software, which = tend to be of zero interest to the opposite camp (we had that problem in CD= -R as well, with the Mac people generally being unbearably smug about how e= asy everything was for them <grin>). I eventually started monthly newslett= ers for those who liked to get information but did not want to wade through= all the messages. I originally wrote these myself, drawing inspiration and= info from the group. Of course, I was being... [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Deirdre Straughan | Deirdre Straughan <deirdre.straughan@...> | deirdrebs2002
July 23, 2005 | Post #18005 | Topic #17917

ps And, clearly, it's time for someone to write "Videoblogging for Dummies"= . -- best regards, Deirdr=E9 Straughan http://www.straughan.com (personal) www= .tvblob.com (work) [View]



Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By johngaltsjournal | "johngaltsjournal" <schlomo@...> | johngaltsjournal
July 23, 2005 | Post #18007 | Topic #17917

Honestly, I just dont join many email lists. If I do, most of them have a finite lifespan (like planning committee lists, or yearly event lists that are dead most of the time). If any part of this list moves away-- content producers, programmers, whatever-- I will be bummed and miss the info. I LOVE the info, just dont love the fire. Maybe the flamers can get their own list? The Videoflammers List? I'm like Andrew right now: I know I should not be contributing to the noise, but I still am. schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi <michael@m...> wrote: There are several other > lists - there is an RSS list, a business list, and a content list. > I'm subscribed to the content list but there hasn't been an email > there in months because they just end up here. > FYI, > Verdi > [View]



Re: [videoblogging] Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lucas.gonze@...> | lucas_gonze
July 23, 2005 | Post #18013 | Topic #17917

I love this list just as it is. The flames and chaos just contribute to th= e cookin' flavor, and the theory, art, and socializing make for an incredib= ly creative community. [View]



Re: [videoblogging] 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Adrian Miles | Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> | adrianlmiles
July 24, 2005 | Post #18038 | Topic #17917

around the 22/7/05 Chris Baudry mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] 150 - Group Tipping Point? that: >Maybe splitting the group in 3 or 4 groups with different purposes? playing catch up. in the long long 1 year history of this list tried this and it didn't doens't work. In a nutshell (put on Yoda mask), it is all of a one. eg. Is a question about how to put an add in RSS a question for the syndication list? or the newbie list? Is the question about art and vlogs a content question? but what is someone replies arguing about interactivity and art, and it gets into technical descriptions about sprite tracks and software available to write these. Is that now the tech list, or still a content question? its all of a one :-) -- cheers Adrian Miles hypertext.RMIT <URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog&gt; [View]



Re: 150 – Group Tipping Point?

By Eric Rice | "Eric Rice" <eric@...> | ericrice
July 24, 2005 | Post #18045 | Topic #17917

With all due respect (and you know I love you), I don't feel comfortable (too much) about the commercial or economic side of vlogging on this list or in the video conference. After the videoconference, most of my afternoon was spent on the phone with other vloggers who wanted to talk about various economic issues, monetization, and the like. That's perhaps why the topic of divergent lists comes up. Community evolves into society. The rules of engagement change. Peace out, ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi <michael@m...> wrote: > Oh man. I just wanted to point out a correlation I saw. I'm not > sure that we need to break apart this group in a zillion pieces. > We've had a number of discussions in the past about other groups and > message boards and after a whole bunch of back and forth emails we > come to the conclusion that we like this list the way it is (I think > we've concluded this at least 3 times in the last 8 or 9 months). > That's not to say that things don't change. There are several other > lists - there is an RSS list, a business list, and a content list. > I'm subscribed to the content list but there hasn't been an email > there in months because they just end up here. > FYI, > Verdi > > On Jul 22, 2005, at 12:14 PM,... [View]