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Re: [videoblogging] deeplinking considered n/a

By Ryan Shaw | Ryan Shaw <ryanshaw@...> | ryan_b_shaw
June 27, 2004 | Post #171 | Topic #140

The issue of "deep linking" is an important one. I started thinking about this a couple of weeks ago, when I was describing Webjay to several managers at the company I'm working at for the summer. Their reaction was: "That's really cool, but it must be illegal! They're stealing bandwidth!" Now, these are pretty smart and savvy folks at one of the world's foremost internet companies. They are very web-centric, and would laugh anyone out of the room who suggested that linking to a page "within" a site (like a particular archived blog post) rather than the "top page" was somehow "stealing." So I wondered why their thinking changed when it came to multimedia. As we've mentioned, there are two issues at work here: bandwidth and context. The first is a technical issue, probably best addressed by things like freecache.org or bittorrent. The second is perhaps more interesting. People want to control the context within which their work is seen. At a fundamental level this means proper accreditation--if I put your photos on my website it implies that I took those photos, unless I specifically mention otherwise. It gets more complex that that, though. An image or a video shot, unlike a blog post or a news article, has no intrinsic meaning. These forms of expression get their meaning from the context in which they are presented. In film this phenomenon is known as the Kuleshov effect[1]. On the web, the possibilities for recontextualization are endless, and it is this fact, the fact that I can totally change the meaning of your work and that you are powerless to stop me, that leads to kind of anti-deep linking sentiment that Lucas finds so silly. This is a sociocultural issue that doesn't have any technical solutions, and I suspect that videobloggers will be wrestling with it long after the technical issues are ancient history. More sophisticated schemes for embedding metadata about authorship, intention, history, etc. in files will help, I think, as well as media players that can understand and use such metadata. But the most difficult task will be coming to grips with the realization that we no longer control the meaning of our expressions. Ryan [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuleshov_experiment Lucas Gonze wrote: > In the playlist community, we are very careful to respect the etiquette of > providing backlinks whenever possible. For example, Webjay has not one > but three routes back to the host. That said, deeplinking is the native > mode of audio/video on the web. > > If you object to deep linking, the web is not for you. All audio/video > hypertext is made of deep links. Playlists are not HTML. They are not > browser applications. In the context of web audio/video, the concept of > deep linking is not applicable. > > There is a canard that one might be stealing bandwidth from the host. > This is pure silliness. > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, PeterV wrote: > > >>> I'm concerned about the precedent of deep linking to all the videos, >>> out of context from their original pages. >> >>And come to think of it, I'm glad you raised that question Steve. It >>seems to me there is no technical solution right now, but we can come up >>with some be-nice standards... I started a wiki page, because I think >>it's an important topic: >> >>http://www.me-tv.org/wakka.php?wakka=DeepLinkingToVideoEtiquette >> >>Feel free to make changes/... >> >>Cheers, >>Peter