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Re: [videoblogging] INdTV

By kenyatta cheese | kenyatta cheese <minitrue@...> | yattacheese
September 29, 2004 | Post #1314 | Topic #1299

--B_3179267566_10765813 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable There=B9s a really fun article in Wired this month about the digital media = distribution thing =AD in particular about how TV channels, movie theaters,= and music stores are all based on a scarcity of distribution while with so= mething like the iTunes music store, =B3stocking an item=B2 is just an entr= y in a database. It costs just as little to sell an unpopular song as it d= oes to sell a popular song. Often, the sum of unpopular song sales can equ= al or exceed that of the most popular songs. Meaning: unpopular can be ver= y profitable if the distribution channel is wide enough. I think the artic= le is titled =8CThe Long Tail.=B9 It should be online next Tuesday (I=B9ll= link it once I see it.) Bringing it home to IndTV: distribution in a land= scape of scarcity (broadcast/cablecast) takes lots of capital and lots of c= lout. And once you acquire that real estate, building out and maintaining = the network and head end is frikkin expensive. Even if they invest heavily= in the current generation of =B3interactive=B2 broadcast TV products, it s= till won=B9t allow them to equal the level of collaboration and conversatio= n we=B9re seeing on the net. And that=B9s okay, b/c maybe they don=B9t wan= t to. But if they=B9ve crafted their format, identified their market segme= nt, and signed up a bunch of marketers looking to talk AT that segment, it= =B9ll give them some nice advertiser subsidies to keep it moving and get mo= re of us in there. Their success would also mean that there=B9s a popular = outlet for work by folks like us. (But if the future gets rid of the scarc= ity, no one has to be popular anymore.) I see IndTV as a welcome addition = to the current tv lineup. Hopefully a few of us will find work there. I j= ust don=B9t see them being the answer for participatory media. -kc. > >= > I guess my criticism is that it seems to me that they are thinking abou= t > simply grafting existing models of TV onto this medium, kind of like th= e > discussion about that "Internet of Video" quote from last week -- a new= way to > sell the same shit. > > What it doesn't seem like they're thinki= ng about is empowering those who are > already doing this, such as contribu= ting to some of the things we're doing > here, or other people from indymed= ia and elsewhere are doing. > > It also doesn't seem like they're addressi= ng some of the technical concerns > (yet, I hope) that would create an emer= ging conversational system -- things > like syndication/aggregation, commen= t/trackbacks, metadata for searching, > creative commons licesing, etc... I= t seems to me that they are just blogging > with links to a good (actually = not that good, but maybe its my > conneection/browser) streaming server. > = > --Josh > > On Wednesday, September 29, 2004, at 00:24AM, Shannon Noble= <sn@...> > wrote: > >> > >> ><<Original Attached>> > > > ----------= ------------------ > Joshua Kinberg > jkinberg@... > (201) 328-4547 > -= -------------------------- > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > = > > > Ok.... > > Now I=B9m looking at it more. > > I think my response = was correct: > > =B3I see dead people=B2. > > This is straight ahead, cam= p, commercial, garbage. > > Hey. I=B9m out of a job right now. Maybe I=B9l= l apply. > > > > > .shannon > > > On 9/28/04 9:17 PM, "Shannon Noble"= <sn@...> wrote: > >> I downloaded the application. >> >> I read the = application. >> >> My response to every line was: >> >> =B3I see dead peo= ple=B2 >> >> >> .s >> >> >> >> On 9/28/04 9:13 PM, "Steve Garfield" <s= teve@...> wrote: >> >>> Oh, I see now. You must have read b= oing boing and Dan Gilmor. >>> >>> http://www.boingboing.net/2004/09/28/al= _gores_new_cable_n.html >>> >>> http://weblog.siliconvalley.com/column/dan= gillmor/archives/ >>> 010833.shtml#010833 >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2004, at 11:5= 6 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: >>> >>>> > I'm sure some of you are aware of w= hat's happening here: >>>> > http://www.indtv.tv/ >>>> > >>>> > This is the= television network owned by Al Gore and Joel Hyatt that is >>>> > trying t= o bring Videoblogging to the masses, and also put some of that >>>> > conte= nt on TV. What do you all think of this effort and what they're >>>> > doin= g? How do you think their work could be informed by what is sort >>>> > of = more organically occurring here? What can we work learn from their >>>> > a= pproach? >>>> > >>>> > --Josh >>>> > >>>> > ---------------------------- >>= >> > Joshua Kinberg >>>> > jkinberg@... >>>> > (201) 328-4547 >>>> > --= ------------------------- >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Yahoo! Groups = Links >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> --------- [ Web Sites = ] --------- >>> Steve Garfield Video Production >>> http://stevegarfield.c= om >>> >>> Video Blog >>> http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/videoblog/ >>> >= >> Weblog: Off On A Tangent >>> http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/ >>> >>>= >>> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>> >>> ADVERTISEMENT >>> >>> <http://us.a= rd.yahoo.com/SIG=3D129kmkg87/M=3D295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=3Dgr >>> = oups/S=3D1705554021:HM/EXP=3D1096517609/A=3D2128215/R=3D0/SIG=3D10se96mf6/*= http://comp >>> anion.yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> * To= visit your group on the web, go to: >>> * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vi= deoblogging/ >>> * >>> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to= : >>> * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> <mailto:videoblogging= -unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe> >>> * >>> * Your use = of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service >>> <http://docs= .yahoo.com/info/terms/> . >>> >> >> >> --This is Vlog: http://x.nnon.tv/= >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> >> ADVERTISEMENT >> >> <http://us= .ard.yahoo.com/SIG=3D129f843cm/M=3D295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=3Dgro >= > ups/S=3D1705554021:HM/EXP=3D1096517885/A=3D2128215/R=3D0/SIG=3D10se96mf6/= *http://compan >> ion.yahoo.com> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> * To v= isit your group on the web, go to: >> * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/video= blogging/ >> * >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> = * videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:videoblogging-unsubs= cribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=3DUnsubscribe> >> * >> * Your use of Yahoo!= Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service >> <http://docs.yahoo.com= /info/terms/> . >> > > > --This is Vlog: http://x.nnon.tv/ > > > --B_3179267566_10765813 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: [videoblogging] INdTV</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT= FACE=3D"Monaco"><TT>There’s a really fun article in Wired this month= about the digital media distribution thing – in particular about how= TV channels, movie theaters, and music stores are all based on a scarcity = of distribution while with something like the iTunes music store, “st= ocking an item” is just an entry in a database.  It costs just a= s little to sell an unpopular song as it does to sell a popular song.  = ;Often, the sum of unpopular song sales can equal or exceed that of the mos= t popular songs.<BR> <BR> Meaning: unpopular can be very profitable if the = distribution channel is wide enough.<BR> <BR> I think the article is titled= ‘The Long Tail.’  It should be online next Tuesday (IR= 17;ll link it once I see it.)<BR> <BR> Bringing it home to IndTV: distribut= ion in a landscape of scarcity (broadcast/cablecast) takes lots of capital = and lots of clout.  And once you acquire that real estate, building ou= t and maintaining the network and head end is frikkin expensive.  Even= if they invest heavily in the current generation of “interactiveR= 21; broadcast TV products, it still won’t allow them to equal the lev= el of collaboration and conversation we’re seeing on the net.  A= nd that’s okay, b/c maybe they don’t want to.<BR> <BR> But if t= hey’ve crafted their format, identified their market segment, and sig= ned up a bunch of marketers looking to talk AT that segment, it’ll gi= ve them some nice advertiser subsidies to keep it moving and get more of us= in there.  Their success would also mean that there’s a <I>popu= lar</I> outlet for work by folks like us.  (But if the future gets rid= of the scarcity, no one has to be popular anymore.)<BR> <BR> I see IndTV a= s a welcome addition to the current tv lineup.  Hopefully a few of us = will find work there.  I just don’t see them being the answer fo= r participatory media.<BR> <BR> <BR> -kc.<BR> <BR> </TT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE>= <FONT FACE=3D"Monaco"><TT><BR> <BR> I guess my criticism is that it seems t= o me that they are thinking about simply grafting existing models of TV ont= o this medium, kind of like the discussion about that "Internet of Vid= eo" quote from last week -- a new way to sell the same shit.<BR> <BR> = What it doesn't seem like they're thinking about is empowering those who ar= e already doing this, such as contributing to some of the things we're doin= g here, or other people from indymedia and elsewhere are doing.<BR> <BR> It= also doesn't seem like they're addressing some of the technical concerns (= yet, I hope) that would create an emerging conversational system -- things = like syndication/aggregation, comment/trackbacks, metadata for searching, c= reative commons licesing, etc... It seems to me that they are just blogging= with links to a good (actually not that good, but maybe its my conneection= /browser) streaming server.<BR> <BR> --Josh<BR>  <BR> On Wednesday, Se= ptember 29, 2004, at 00:24AM, Shannon Noble <sn@...> wrote:<BR> <= BR> ><BR> ><<Original Attached>><BR> <BR> <BR> ----------= ------------------<BR> Joshua Kinberg<BR> jkinberg@...<BR> (201) 328-45= 47<BR> ---------------------------<BR> <BR> <BR> ------------------------ Y= ahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> <BR> Make a clean sweep of= pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar.<BR> Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it = for free!<BR> http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM<BR&gt; = --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> = <BR> <BR>  <BR> Yahoo! Groups Links<BR> <BR> <*> To visit your g= roup on the web, go to:<BR>     http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/videoblogging/<BR> <BR> <*> To unsubscribe from this group, se= nd an email to:<BR>     videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoo= groups.com<BR> <BR> <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:<BR> =     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<BR&gt;  <BR> <B= R> <HR ALIGN=3DCENTER SIZE=3D"3" WIDTH=3D"95%"></TT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Ve= rdana">Ok....<BR> <BR> Now I’m looking at it more.<BR> <BR> I think m= y response was correct:<BR> <BR> “I see dead people”.<BR> <BR> = This is straight ahead, camp, commercial, garbage. <BR> <BR> Hey. I’m= out of a job right now. Maybe I’ll apply.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> .s= hannon<BR> <BR> <BR> On 9/28/04 9:17 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@n= non.tv> wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana">I down= loaded the application.  <BR> <BR> I read the application.<BR> <BR> My= response to every line was:<BR> <BR> “I see dead people”<BR> <= BR> <BR> .s<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> On 9/28/04 9:13 PM, "Steve Garfield&quo= t; <steve@...> wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT= FACE=3D"Monaco"><TT>Oh, I see now.  You must have read boing boing an= d Dan Gilmor.<BR> <BR> http://www.boingboing.net/2004/09/28/al_gores_new_ca= ble_n.html<BR> <BR> http://weblog.siliconvalley.com/column/dangillmor/archi= ves/ <BR> 010833.shtml#010833<BR> <BR> On Sep 28, 2004, at 11:56 PM, Joshua= Kinberg wrote:<BR> <BR> > I'm sure some of you are aware of what's happ= ening here:<BR> > http://www.indtv.tv/<BR&gt; ><BR> > This is the tel= evision network owned by Al Gore and Joel Hyatt that is  <BR> > try= ing to bring Videoblogging to the masses, and also put some of that  <= BR> > content on TV. What do you all think of this effort and what they'= re  <BR> > doing? How do you think their work could be informed by = what is sort  <BR> > of more organically occurring here? What can w= e work learn from their  <BR> > approach?<BR> ><BR> > --Josh<= BR> ><BR> > ----------------------------<BR> > Joshua Kinberg<BR> = > jkinberg@...<BR> > (201) 328-4547<BR> > --------------------= -------<BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> > Yahoo! Groups Links<BR= > ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> ---------  [ W= eb Sites ]  ---------<BR> Steve Garfield Video Production<BR> http://s= tevegarfield.com<BR> <BR> Video Blog<BR> http://stevegarfield.blogs.com/vid= eoblog/<BR> <BR> Weblog: Off On A Tangent<BR> http://offonatangent.blogspot= .com/<BR> <BR> </TT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><BR> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0033= 99"><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><B>Yahoo! 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