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Re: [videoblogging] It's not a video blog if it's on TV

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
August 22, 2004 | Post #849 | Topic #826

--Apple-Mail-1--1039611254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed >> 1. computer screens are domestic spaces not cinema screens I agree. = >>2. users own their computer screens (unlike tv and cinema screens) I a= gree, but what does that imply? Often on movie trailer sites the option fo= r full screen is offered which completely takes over the user's screen. Th= e user chooses to let this happen, but after making that choice, they have= given up control for the next few minutes. >>3. video blogs need to reco= gnise this >>4. users are time poor >>5. users are bandwidth poor >>6. u= sers are screen poor These assume a worst case scenario. That's good becau= se we want to make these things as easy to view as possible by as many peo= ple. But this shouldn't preclude a creator from considering a Best Case sc= enario. There may not be as many but there could be users with time to dev= ote to this, that have fast connections (and creators that have lots of b= andwidth) and want to devote time on the computer to vidblogs. Again it's = not going to be the majority, but those users will exist. >>so video blo= gs ought to: >>be small >>be short >>not assume ownership of other's = screens/times/space I still see that as limiting potential creativity. >= >That's like saying what makes a western a western is a personal definiti= on. It isn't. How is limiting the length of a vidblog not a personal defin= ition? A western could be feature length or 15 minutes long. I understand = the technical justification for it, but that doesn't apply to all users. = Chris On Aug 22, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Adrian Miles wrote: > > On= 23/08/2004, at 11:42 AM, Christopher Weagel wrote: > > > what parameters = define a vidblog are personal. The below may work > for > > you, but not = for another. > > no, they're not :-) That's like saying what makes a weste= rn a western > is a personal definition. It isn't. We're talking about gen= res and > we're defining the genre right now through our practice. I'd sug= gest > the definition will include something about the personal, but > fo= llowing > Steve's comment about videoblog on tv, there presumably will be = > something about a videoblog that makes it a videoblog rather than a > b= log, or video. That's not a personal definition, at best it is a > sociall= y defined one. > > > > > To me, overly strict definitions are antithetica= l to this whole > > process. > > of course, but hard questions and respon= ses like yours help a lot :-) > > > > Are there boundaries that separate = what is a vidblog and what isn't? > > > > Probably. > > yep, see above. = > > > > But I'm not too eager to begin laying down anything approaching = > rules. > > > > well, we could call them something else, but just as the= re are things > that define a blog and separate a blog from a diary or a j= ournal, it > will be the same here. (btw, i'm not looking for an argument,= more > puckish than pugulist.) > > cheers > Adrian Miles > ...........= ...................................................... > hypertext.rmit ||= hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian > interactive networked video || hypertext.r= mit.edu.au/vog > research blog || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ > > > > = > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > <81804_0804_c_300250a.gif> > <l= .gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go = to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubs= cribe from this group, send an email to: > videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoog= roups.com > =A0 > =95 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!= Terms of > Service. > > --Apple-Mail-1--1039611254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 <fixed>>> 1. computer screens are domestic spaces not cinema screens = I agree. >>2. users own their computer screens (unlike tv and cinema scr= eens) I agree, but what does that imply? Often on movie trailer sites the= option for full screen is offered which completely takes over the user's s= creen. The user chooses to let this happen, but after making that choice, t= hey have given up control for the next few minutes. >>3. video blogs need= to recognise this >>4. users are time poor >>5. users are bandwidth poor= >>6. users are screen poor These assume a worst case scenario. That's g= ood because we want to make these things as easy to view as possible by as = many people. But this shouldn't preclude a creator from considering a Best = Case scenario. There may not be as many but there could be users with time = to devote to this, that have fast connections (and creators that have lots = of bandwidth) and want to devote time on the computer to vidblogs. Again it= 's not going to be the majority, but those users will exist. >>so video= blogs ought to: >>be small >>be short >>not assume ownership of othe= r's screens/times/space </fixed>I still see that as limiting potential cr= eativity. >><fixed>That's like saying what makes a western a western i= s a personal definition. It isn't. How is limiting the length of a vidblo= g not a personal definition? A western could be feature length or 15 minute= s long. I understand the technical justification for it, but that doesn't = apply to all users. Chris</fixed> On Aug 22, 2004, at 10:18 P= M, Adrian Miles wrote: <excerpt> <fixed> On 23/08/2004, at 11:42 AM, Chr= istopher Weagel wrote:</fixed> <fixed> > what parameters define a vidblog= are personal. The below may work for </fixed> <fixed> > you, but not for = another.</fixed> <fixed> no, they're not :-) That's like saying what make= s a western a western </fixed> <fixed> is a personal definition. It isn't.= We're talking about genres and </fixed> <fixed> we're defining the genre = right now through our practice. I'd suggest</fixed> <fixed> the definition= will include something about the personal, but following </fixed> <fixed>= Steve's comment about videoblog on tv, there presumably will be </fixed> = <fixed> something about a videoblog that makes it a videoblog rather than a= </fixed> <fixed> blog, or video. That's not a personal definition, at bes= t it is a </fixed> <fixed> socially defined one.</fixed> <fixed> ></fixe= d> <fixed> > To me, overly strict definitions are antithetical to this who= le </fixed> <fixed> > process.</fixed> <fixed> of course, but hard quest= ions and responses like yours help a lot :-)</fixed> <fixed> ></fixed> <f= ixed> > Are there boundaries that separate what is a vidblog and what isn't= ?</fixed> <fixed> ></fixed> <fixed> > Probably.</fixed> <fixed> yep, se= e above.</fixed> <fixed> ></fixed> <fixed> > But I'm not too eager to beg= in laying down anything approaching rules.</fixed> <fixed> ></fixed> <fi= xed> well, we could call them something else, but just as there are things = </fixed> <fixed> that define a blog and separate a blog from a diary or a = journal, it</fixed> <fixed> will be the same here. (btw, i'm not looking f= or an argument, more </fixed> <fixed> puckish than pugulist.)</fixed> <f= ixed> cheers</fixed> <fixed> Adrian Miles</fixed> <fixed> ...............= ..................................................</fixed> <fixed> hyperte= xt.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian</fixed> <fixed> interactive networ= ked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog</fixed> <fixed> research blog || hy= pertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/</fixed> <bold><color><param>0000,333= 3,9999</param><smaller>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor</smaller></color></bold> <fo= ntfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>ADVERTISEMENT</x-tad-s= maller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> <<81804_0804_c_300250a.g= if> <<l.gif> <bold><smaller>Yahoo! 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