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Re: [videoblogging] MPEG4 not Supported

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 6, 2004 | Post #579 | Topic #567

--B_3174660013_954751 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ok, Now I=B9m starting to get it. One last question. Um....uh..... What i= s a =B3playlist=B2? Thanks again Lucas. shannon On 8/6/04 5:51 PM, "Lu= cas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon N= oble wrote: > >> > So.... >> > >> > Also....why does the mpeg4 file not ac= t like the .mov file? The .mov file >> > begins streaming in the browser wi= ndow but the mpeg4 file has to download >> > completely before it opens and= begins to play. >> > >> > Questions questions questions > > A good questi= on. > > The quicktime plugin on your machine isn't grabbing the URL, but t= he > quicktime application *is*. The quicktime plugin can see the mov as t= he > bytes come down, but the quicktime application doesn't even know the m= p4 > is there until all the bytes are downloaded. ...this is because of th= e > way that browsers interact with helper applications. > > The quick fix= is to make a playlist and put in it nothing but the url of > the mp4 file.= > > - Lucas > > > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Shannon >> > >> > >> > >= > > On 8/6/04 5:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@...> wrote: >> > >>> >> Ok..= . >>> >> >>> >> I=B9m starting to understand a little bit now. I=B9d previo= usly tried >>> creating >>> >> the file and now realized I=B9d made a minor= mistake and that is remedied so >>> >> now the mpeg4 file is a direct down= load to my machine. Hmm. I=B9m not sure >>> >> about the chunks blowing tho= ugh 8*) . I still have lots of questions. I >>> >> don=B9t know what the= y are yet though. 8*( >>> >> >>> >> Shannon >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>= >> On 8/6/04 4:04 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote: >>> >> >>>>>= >>>> >>>>> >>>> The quick fix -- >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Create a file named= .htaccess in the directory where you keep your >>>>> videos. >>>>> >>>> Pu= t this one line in it: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp= 4 >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> The real fix is to compile a = standard .htaccess that doesn't blow >>>>> chunks, >>>>> >>>> but I won't h= ave time today. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shanno= n Noble wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> That would be outstanding! >>>>>>>= >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> .s >>>>>>> >>>= >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/6/04 3:46 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@= panix.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sigh= . Well, if it was all easy, there wouldn't be so much >>>>>>>>> new turf t= o >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have fun with. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>= >> I can compile a listing of corrected mime types if it's >>>>>>>>> useful= to >>>>>> >>>>> people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You'll need permission to drop = it into your hosting >>>>>>>>> directory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>= >>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> MP= 4 mime type documented here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rfc-edit= or.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>= > The right mime type would be either video/mpeg or >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> video/= mpeg4-generic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The fi= x is in the config for your web server.=A0 Create >>>>>>>>>>>>> a file call= ed >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> .htaccess in your video directory and put thi= s in it: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4 >>>>>>>= >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >= >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I tried this out and got invalid error message= s >>>>>>>>>>>>> from the server >> > and >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then >>= >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> started poking around the support forum for my web= host where I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> found this >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dated = June 6,2004 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>= >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that HostRocket doesn't have ".mp4" or any m= peg 4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> extension >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> defined in thei= r server mime-types. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> = Having asked about this, the response I received was: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>= >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "While mpeg4 is in use, it is not yet ubiq= uitous on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>>>>>> future, we may consider enabling it on our servers. However, = the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg4 is not in the = system defined types is because it is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> considered by >>>>>>= >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> others who write the software we use to not be common.= " >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else fi= nd this totally amusing and >>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous at the >> > same >>>>>= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> time? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>= >>>>>> Here they are with other mime-types such as ".latex" implemented, >>= >>>>>> >>>>>>> but they >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> won't use a current stan= dard because it's not wide-spread? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, the average web-surfer will NEVER see something ".latex"= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> unless they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>= >>>>>>> to their local pharmacy and look next to things also labelled >>>>>= >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "polyurathane" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and self-test k= its. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>= >>>>>>>>>> Is this the kind of thing that might make one want to switch to = a >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> different >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hosting o= peration? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> New Post on= x.nnon.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>= >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sha= nnon >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>= >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>= >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yaho= o! 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What is a “playlistR= 21;?<BR> <BR> Thanks again Lucas.<BR> <BR> shannon<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> On 8/= 6/04 5:51 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote:<BR> <= BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"New York"><TT><BR> <BR> On Fri, 6 Aug = 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:<BR> <BR> > So....<BR> ><BR> > Also....w= hy does the mpeg4 file not act like the .mov file? The .mov file<BR> > b= egins streaming in the browser window but the mpeg4 file has to download<BR= > > completely before it opens and begins to play.<BR> ><BR> > Que= stions questions questions<BR> <BR> A good question.<BR> <BR> The quicktime= plugin on your machine isn't grabbing the URL, but the <BR> quicktime appl= ication *is*.  The quicktime plugin can see the mov as the <BR> bytes = come down, but the quicktime application doesn't even know the mp4 <BR> is = there until all the bytes are downloaded.  ...this is because of the <= BR> way that browsers interact with helper applications.<BR> <BR> The quick= fix is to make a playlist and put in it nothing but the url of <BR> the mp= 4 file.<BR> <BR> - Lucas<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ><BR> > Thanks,<BR> ><= BR> > Shannon<BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> > On 8/6/04 5:00 PM, &qu= ot;Shannon Noble" <sn@...> wrote:<BR> ><BR> >> Ok..= .<BR> >><BR> >> I’m starting to understand a little bit n= ow. I’d previously tried creating<BR> >> the file and now reali= zed I’d made a minor mistake and that is remedied so<BR> >> now= the mpeg4 file is a direct download to my machine. Hmm. I’m not sure= <BR> >> about the chunks blowing though 8*)  .   I sti= ll have lots of questions. I<BR> >> don’t know what they are ye= t though. 8*(<BR> >><BR> >> Shannon<BR> >><BR> >><B= R> >><BR> >><BR> >> On 8/6/04 4:04 PM, "Lucas Gonze&= quot; <lgonze@...> wrote:<BR> >><BR> >>>><BR>= >>>> The quick fix --<BR> >>>><BR> >>>>= ; Create a file named .htaccess in the directory where you keep your videos= .<BR> >>>> Put this one line in it:<BR> >>>><BR> &g= t;>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4<BR> >>>><BR> >= ;>>><BR> >>>><BR> >>>> The real fix is to = compile a standard .htaccess that doesn't blow chunks,<BR> >>>>= but I won't have time today.<BR> >>>><BR> >>>><BR>= >>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:<BR> >>>= ><BR> >>>>>> That would be outstanding!<BR> >>&g= t;>>><BR> >>>>>> Thanks.<BR> >>>>>= ;><BR> >>>>>> .s<BR> >>>>>><BR> >= >>>>><BR> >>>>>> On 8/6/04 3:46 PM, "= Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote:<BR> >>>>>&= gt;<BR> >>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>&g= t; Sigh.  Well, if it was all easy, there wouldn't be so much new turf= to<BR> >>>>>>>> have fun with.  :)<BR> >&g= t;>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>> I can compi= le a listing of corrected mime types if it's useful to<BR> >>>>= > people.<BR> >>>>>>>> You'll need permission to= drop it into your hosting directory.<BR> >>>>>>>><= BR> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrot= e:<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> MP4 mime type docum= ented here:<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www= .rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt<BR> >>>>>>>>>>= ;>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> The right mi= me type would be either video/mpeg or<BR> >>>>>>> vide= o/mpeg4-generic.<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> &= gt;>>>>>>>>>>> The fix is in the config fo= r your web server.=A0 Create a file called<BR> >>>>>>>= >>>>> .htaccess in your video directory and put this in it:<= BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> AddType video/mpeg4-ge= neric mp4<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>= >>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>&g= t;>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> So = I tried this out and got invalid error messages from the server<BR> > an= d<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> then<BR> >>>= ;>>>>>>>>> started poking around the support for= um for my web host where I<BR> >>>>>>> found this<BR> = >>>>>>>>>>>> dated June 6,2004<BR> >= >>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>&g= t;>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>>= I've noticed that HostRocket doesn't have ".mp4" or any mpeg 4<B= R> >>>>>>> extension<BR> >>>>>>>&= gt;>>>> defined in their server mime-types.<BR> >>>>= ;>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>&= gt;>> Having asked about this, the response I received was:<BR> >&= gt;>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>= ;>>>>> "While mpeg4 is in use, it is not yet ubiquitous= on the internet.<BR> >>>>>>> In the<BR> >>>&= gt;>>>>>>>> future, we may consider enabling it on = our servers. However, the<BR> >>>>>>> reason<BR> >&= gt;>>>>>>>>>> mpeg4 is not in the system defi= ned types is because it is<BR> >>>>>>> considered by<B= R> >>>>>>>>>>>> others who write the so= ftware we use to not be common."<BR> >>>>>>>>&= gt;>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does a= nyone else find this totally amusing and ridiculous at the<BR> > same<BR= > >>>>>>>>>>>> time?<BR> >>>&g= t;>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>= >>> Here they are with other mime-types such as ".latex"= implemented,<BR> >>>>>>> but they<BR> >>>>= ;>>>>>>>> won't use a current standard because it's= not wide-spread?<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> = >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, the average web-surfe= r will NEVER see something ".latex"<BR> >>>>>>&= gt; unless they<BR> >>>>>>>>>> go<BR> >>= ;>>>>>>>>>> to their local pharmacy and look = next to things also labelled<BR> >>>>>>>>>> &= quot;polyurathane"<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>>= ; and self-test kits.<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><= BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>&g= t;>>>>>>> Is this the kind of thing that might make on= e want to switch to a<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> = different<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> hosting oper= ation?<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>= ;>>>>>>>>> New Post on  x.nnon.tv<BR> >&= gt;>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>= ;>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><= BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>&g= t;>>>>>>> Shannon<BR> >>>>>>>>= >>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> &= gt;>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>= ;>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>&= gt;<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>&g= t;>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>= >>> Yahoo! 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