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Re: [videoblogging] MPEG4 not Supported

By Shannon Noble | Shannon Noble <sn@...> | sh7nnon
August 6, 2004 | Post #580 | Topic #567

--B_3174660269_997202 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable One last one. Why does the mp4 not access the plugin for display in the br= owser window? On 8/6/04 6:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@...> wrote: = > Ok, > > Now I=B9m starting to get it. > > One last question. Um....uh..= ... What is a =B3playlist=B2? > > Thanks again Lucas. > > shannon > > >= > On 8/6/04 5:51 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote: > >> >> >= > On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote: >> >>> > So.... >>> > >>> > Als= o....why does the mpeg4 file not act like the .mov file? The .mov file >>> = > begins streaming in the browser window but the mpeg4 file has to download= >>> > completely before it opens and begins to play. >>> > >>> > Questions= questions questions >> >> A good question. >> >> The quicktime plugin on= your machine isn't grabbing the URL, but the >> quicktime application *is*= . The quicktime plugin can see the mov as the >> bytes come down, but the = quicktime application doesn't even know the mp4 >> is there until all the b= ytes are downloaded. ...this is because of the >> way that browsers intera= ct with helper applications. >> >> The quick fix is to make a playlist and= put in it nothing but the url of >> the mp4 file. >> >> - Lucas >> >> >= > >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Shannon >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 8/6/0= 4 5:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@...> wrote: >>> > >>>> >> Ok... >>>> >> = >>>> >> I=B9m starting to understand a little bit now. I=B9d previously tri= ed >>>> creating >>>> >> the file and now realized I=B9d made a minor mista= ke and that is remedied so >>>> >> now the mpeg4 file is a direct download = to my machine. Hmm. I=B9m not sure >>>> >> about the chunks blowing though = 8*) . I still have lots of questions. I >>>> >> don=B9t know what they a= re yet though. 8*( >>>> >> >>>> >> Shannon >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> = >>>> >> On 8/6/04 4:04 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote: >>>> >> = >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> The quick fix -- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Create a f= ile named .htaccess in the directory where you keep your >>>>>> videos. >>>= >>> >>>> Put this one line in it: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> AddType video/mpe= g4-generic mp4 >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> The real fix= is to compile a standard .htaccess that doesn't blow >>>>>> chunks, >>>>>>= >>>> but I won't have time today. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On F= ri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> That would= be outstanding! >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>= >>>>>> >>>>>> .s >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/6/04 = 3:46 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sigh. Well, if it was all easy, there wouldn= 't be so much >>>>>>>>>> new turf to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have fun with. :)= >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can compile a listing of correct= ed mime types if it's >>>>>>>>>> useful to >>>>>>> >>>>> people. >>>>>>>>>>= >>>>>>>> You'll need permission to drop it into your hosting >>>>>>>>>> di= rectory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shanno= n Noble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> MP4 mime type documented here: >= >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt >>>>>>= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The right mime type would= be either video/mpeg or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> video/mpeg4-generic. >>>>>>>>>>>= >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The fix is in the config for y= our web server.=A0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Create a file called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>= >>>>>>> .htaccess in your video directory and put this in it: >>>>>>>>>>>>>= > >>>>>>>>>>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>= >>>>>>>> So I tried this out and got invalid error messages >>>>>>>>>>>>>> = from the server >>> > and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >= >>>>>>>>>>> started poking around the support forum for my web host where I= >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> found this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dated June 6,2004= >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>= >>>>>>>>> I've noticed that HostRocket doesn't have ".mp4" or any mpeg 4 >>= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> extension >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> defined in their serv= er mime-types. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Havi= ng asked about this, the response I received was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>= >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "While mpeg4 is in use, it is not yet ubiqui= tous on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the >>>>>>>>>>>>>= > >>>>>>>>>>>> future, we may consider enabling it on our servers. However,= the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg4 is not in t= he system defined types is because it is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> considered by >>= >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> others who write the software we use to not be co= mmon." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone = else find this totally amusing and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous at the >>> > s= ame >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>= >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here they are with other mime-types such as ".latex" imp= lemented, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> but they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> won't use = a current standard because it's not wide-spread? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>= > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, the average web-surfer will NEVER see so= mething ".latex" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> unless they >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> go >= >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to their local pharmacy and look next to things = also labelled >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "polyurathane" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>= >>>>> and self-test kits. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>= >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the kind of thing that might mak= e one want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to switch to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> differ= ent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hosting operation? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>= >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> New Post on x.nnon.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>= >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>= >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>= >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>= > >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>= >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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What i= s a “playlist”?<BR> <BR> Thanks again Lucas.<BR> <BR> shannon<B= R> <BR> <BR> <BR> On 8/6/04 5:51 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@pan= ix.com> wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"New York"><TT><= BR> <BR> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble wrote:<BR> <BR> > So....<BR> = ><BR> > Also....why does the mpeg4 file not act like the .mov file? T= he .mov file<BR> > begins streaming in the browser window but the mpeg4 = file has to download<BR> > completely before it opens and begins to play= .<BR> ><BR> > Questions questions questions<BR> <BR> A good question.= <BR> <BR> The quicktime plugin on your machine isn't grabbing the URL, but = the <BR> quicktime application *is*.  The quicktime plugin can see the= mov as the <BR> bytes come down, but the quicktime application doesn't eve= n know the mp4 <BR> is there until all the bytes are downloaded.  ...t= his is because of the <BR> way that browsers interact with helper applicati= ons.<BR> <BR> The quick fix is to make a playlist and put in it nothing but= the url of <BR> the mp4 file.<BR> <BR> - Lucas<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> ><BR>= > Thanks,<BR> ><BR> > Shannon<BR> ><BR> ><BR> ><BR> >= On 8/6/04 5:00 PM, "Shannon Noble" <sn@...> wrote:<BR>= ><BR> >> Ok...<BR> >><BR> >> I’m starting to un= derstand a little bit now. I’d previously tried creating<BR> >>= the file and now realized I’d made a minor mistake and that is remed= ied so<BR> >> now the mpeg4 file is a direct download to my machine. = Hmm. I’m not sure<BR> >> about the chunks blowing though 8*) &n= bsp;.   I still have lots of questions. I<BR> >> don’= t know what they are yet though. 8*(<BR> >><BR> >> Shannon<BR> = >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >><BR> >> On 8/6/04 4:04= PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote:<BR> >><B= R> >>>><BR> >>>> The quick fix --<BR> >>>&= gt;<BR> >>>> Create a file named .htaccess in the directory whe= re you keep your videos.<BR> >>>> Put this one line in it:<BR> = >>>><BR> >>>> AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4<BR> &= gt;>>><BR> >>>><BR> >>>><BR> >>>&= gt; The real fix is to compile a standard .htaccess that doesn't blow chunk= s,<BR> >>>> but I won't have time today.<BR> >>>><B= R> >>>><BR> >>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Shannon Noble = wrote:<BR> >>>><BR> >>>>>> That would be outs= tanding!<BR> >>>>>><BR> >>>>>> Thanks.<= BR> >>>>>><BR> >>>>>> .s<BR> >>&g= t;>>><BR> >>>>>><BR> >>>>>> On= 8/6/04 3:46 PM, "Lucas Gonze" <lgonze@...> wrote:<BR= > >>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>><BR> >>= ;>>>>>> Sigh.  Well, if it was all easy, there would= n't be so much new turf to<BR> >>>>>>>> have fun wi= th.  :)<BR> >>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>&= gt;>> I can compile a listing of corrected mime types if it's useful = to<BR> >>>>> people.<BR> >>>>>>>> Yo= u'll need permission to drop it into your hosting directory.<BR> >>&g= t;>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2= 004, Shannon Noble wrote:<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>&= gt; MP4 mime type documented here:<BR> >>>>>>>>>= >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3640.txt<BR&gt; >>>>= >>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>&g= t;>> The right mime type would be either video/mpeg or<BR> >>&g= t;>>>> video/mpeg4-generic.<BR> >>>>>>>>= ;>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> The = fix is in the config for your web server.=A0 Create a file called<BR> >&= gt;>>>>>>>>>> .htaccess in your video directo= ry and put this in it:<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>>= AddType video/mpeg4-generic mp4<BR> >>>>>>>>>&g= t;>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>= ;>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>&= gt;>>>> So I tried this out and got invalid error messages from= the server<BR> > and<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>&g= t; then<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> started poking= around the support forum for my web host where I<BR> >>>>>&= gt;> found this<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> dat= ed June 6,2004<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >= ;>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>&= gt;>>>>> I've noticed that HostRocket doesn't have ".mp= 4" or any mpeg 4<BR> >>>>>>> extension<BR> >&g= t;>>>>>>>>>> defined in their server mime-typ= es.<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>&g= t;>>>>>>>> Having asked about this, the response I = received was:<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >= >>>>>>>>>>> "While mpeg4 is in use, i= t is not yet ubiquitous on the internet.<BR> >>>>>>> I= n the<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> future, we may c= onsider enabling it on our servers. However, the<BR> >>>>>&g= t;> reason<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg4 is= not in the system defined types is because it is<BR> >>>>>&= gt;> considered by<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> = others who write the software we use to not be common."<BR> >>&g= t;>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>= >>>> Does anyone else find this totally amusing and ridiculous = at the<BR> > same<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> t= ime?<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>&= gt;>>>>>>>> Here they are with other mime-types suc= h as ".latex" implemented,<BR> >>>>>>> but t= hey<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> won't use a curren= t standard because it's not wide-spread?<BR> >>>>>>>&g= t;>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet= , the average web-surfer will NEVER see something ".latex"<BR> &g= t;>>>>>> unless they<BR> >>>>>>>>= >> go<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> to their l= ocal pharmacy and look next to things also labelled<BR> >>>>>= ;>>>>> "polyurathane"<BR> >>>>>>= >>>>>> and self-test kits.<BR> >>>>>>&g= t;>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>>= <BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the kind of t= hing that might make one want to switch to a<BR> >>>>>>&g= t;>>>>> different<BR> >>>>>>>>>&g= t;>> hosting operation?<BR> >>>>>>>>>>&= gt;><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> New Post on &n= bsp;x.nnon.tv<BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >= >>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>&g= t;>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>>= <BR> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon<BR> >>&= gt;>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>= ;>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> = >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>>>&g= t;>>>>>><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>= ><BR> >>>>>>>>>>>><BR> >>>&= gt;>>>>>>>> Yahoo! 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