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Re: [videoblogging] Re: deeplinking considered n/a

By Andreas Haugstrup | "Andreas Haugstrup" <videoblog@...> | andreashaugstrup
July 2, 2004 | Post #244 | Topic #140

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:06:51 +1000, Adrian Miles <adrian.miles@...> wrote: >> This is different from deeplinking directly to a movie file. In my >> world, anyway. >> Movies aren't hypertexts. The movies we're making now aren't >> hypermedia either. They are dead ends on the world wide web and as >> you >> say: Alone they have no context. > > another good point, but one that suggests our movies should change, not > our deep linking practices. eg, any of my vogs, click the question mark > in the lower right of screen and it will load a web page. *Every* movie > should link to another object, there should not be a dead end. Either or. I still haven't been able to view any of your movies. I've gotten a little further - now they only crash Quicktime after I view a microsecond of the video. It sucks ass and has made me hate quicktime. However, I'm allowed to change my mind slightly and I can see your point when you make the video itself link back to a referencing webpage (your blog post i presume?). I think a backlink like this would actually satify almost all of my metadata needs and - like you say - it would make quotation possible even if the video gets distributed by other people. This is very important to me, since I as a general rule don't mind people sharing my work (non-commercially) but I want attribution for my work. At the same time it would allow for people to mirror my videos without me being pissed off. I'm all for this. It would be a lot easier to implement a system where the video just refers to another web ressource for context than to completely change the ways videos work. It's nice to have people like you who can open my eyes a bit. What I thought was a pretty complex problem (videos being dead ends in the hypertext structure) turned out to be quite easy to solve by just including a reference back. So yeah, how can I make this happen? I want to make videos like this right now :o) I don't really like the poster movies, but that's a personal preference. These links to my blog entry are great though. I have Adobe Premiere for making videos. Do I need Quicktime Pro or? Actually doesn't this effectively give the video and the blog entry the same URL. Not physically of course, but to the user there's only one location to refer to. This is a Good Thing(tm) to me. I would still like to have a little bit more metadata in the video itself other than just a back link. In my perfect world I would have: - The back link reference to enable conversation. - Creator - Title - License information (pretty important to me. I like Creative Commons and would like to give up some rights) The back link would effectively remove the need to provide an annotation in the video file itself. Creator and Title are already present in WMV video, but I don't know how to add this to Quicktime versions of my videos. I think the license information is so crucial (especially in DMCA nightmare world we live in) that I think it should be in the video file itself and not just on the page for the back link. > sorry about the denmark scoreline btw. Yeah, I'm still down about it. We made it to the quarter final though. That's further than Germany, France and Italy. :o) > yes, you're on firm copyright ground here. if i put yoiur video inside > my video then it is technically little different to loading a nother > site into a frame on my site. the law's pretty clear about this. I don't think I would mind if people mirror my videos (smaller hosting bill for me) if I could provide back link references in the video file itself like you have. I'm still not awake so my position might change after breakfast though. :o) >> So keep the world wide web alive by linking to the HTML page and not >> the video file. It is only fair to the author. > > yes and no. i intend to make movies that quote other movies, > appropriately. After all that makes sense in terms of a video blog. I was talking from my own world. I didn't think that it was possible to provide links back in the video, so I was talking from the assumption that videos are dead ends. Of course you need to be able to quote and talk about other movies because conversation rocks. But you need to point to the right ressource, and I think the right ressource is the blog entry and not the video file. Unless! Unless the video is not a dead end, in that case link away because my commentary (context) is available from the video itself ensuring that viewers will always be able to get to my comments. Lastly, I will get my BA in Communication whenever the administration deems it right to publish my last grade. That means I'll start my Master's work in September and I'm think about making my first project about videoblogs. If I do can I mail you some questions? I suspect that it'll mostly be asking for references I can start reading. For unknown reasons we're very focused on market communication at the institute - I would like to get a bit away from the traditional market communication for my studies (but not completely!). - Andreas -- Personal: <http://www.solitude.dk&gt; File Thingie - PHP File Manager <http://www.solitude.dk/filethingie/&gt;