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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash

By Christopher Weagel | Christopher Weagel <humandog@...> | ronnalddd
August 26, 2004 | Post #943 | Topic #906

--Apple-Mail-1--740819139 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed I've had WMV 9 on my mac for a while now. As much as I dislike it, it has = always worked for any WMV from the web I get including all vidblogs to dat= e. I don't know what further plug-in the browser is requesting of you. But= for my posts on 8/24 and 8/26 I embedded them using the MIME video/mp4 in= stead of my normal video/quicktime. You're the first person reporting prob= lems with that, but it may be the cause nonetheless. Unfortunately, I've = never been able to view your flash videos. I have the latest flash plugin = running in Safari, but nothing happens when I clik on the controls. I just= see the still frame. The flash videos that the Dane produces, however, I = have no trouble watching. Chris On Aug 26, 2004, at 3:02 AM, Deirdre = Straughan, class of 81 wrote: > Being neither a filmmaker nor a web design= er, I will thank you for the > valuable info, rather than throwing you abo= ut. ; ) > > This format "war" is a major pain. I posted WMV to my blog yes= terday, > and at least two people on Macs (Charlene and Mica) can't view i= t. I > think Jay was able to, by downloading the Microsoft player, though = I'm > not 100% sure. Anyone else? > > I'm not finding QT entirely well be= haved, at least in some > implementations. I was never able to see all of = Chris' latest Human > Dog post. In Firefox, it kept asking me to download = a plug-in, which > turned out to be QT which is already installed. I reins= talled it > twice, but kept getting that plug-in message. Then I tried IE,= but > could only get about 30 seconds into the movie before it would simp= ly > stall. I'll try again today and see if that was just some sort of > = server choke. > > So far I'm seeing fewer problems with people viewing the= SWF on my > site, though that may be wishful thinking - I haven't had a l= ot of > comments from you guys on my videos, one way or the other. One > = downside of SWF seems to be that it's not eligible (probably because > not= usable) for your vogroll, and may not be re-voggable, so I feel > like I'= m missing out on being part of the community! > > Then there's the install= ed base question. Video is doubtless a lot > easier on the Mac, but I've b= een professionally involved in Windows > consumer software for many years,= so I'm stuck with Windows, as is, > what, 95% of the world? So I'm trying= to approach this from a > Windows-minimalist POV - what would a low-end W= indows consumer have, > or be able to get cheaply, and feel comfortable wi= th? > > NB: Part of the reason I'm using Flash at all is that I need to pu= t > video on a corporate website and therefore needed to learn the best > = way to do that. This is a different set of problems, where ease of > prod= uction is far less important (they pay me to do it) than ease of > viewing= . > > > best regards, > Deirdr=E9 Straughan > > http://www.straughan.com = > > > > that's a very good question. i will write something about why i us= e > qt > > and to start the argument: > > > > 1. most of what you can s= cript in flash you can script in QT > > 2. this is the world's best kept s= ecret > > 3. it is no harder than scripting flash, just different > > 4. = qt *is* the architecture for time based media > > 5. flash *is* the archit= ecture for animation that now wants to be > time > > based media > > 6. = flash is still quite 'thick' when it comes to the level of > > granularity= it supports for video (though i may have that arse > about) > > 7. flash= has fantastic installed userbase which makes it > hegemonically > > bett= er > > 8. qt 6 fully reads flash 5 (and the best work in qt uses flash) > = > 9. how did flash get here? > > i. because graphic designers took to the= web. > > ii. graphic designers can draw (we can't, were film makers, thre= 's a > > difference). > > iii. flash let graphic designers become proto-f= ilm makers > > iv. (think aboiut it, you're a graphic designer, nothing mo= ves. now > > you're an interactive artist/author/designer, the difference = is > > staggering.) > > v. (think about it. you're a designer. frames per= second doesnt' > exist. > > you now have 12fps. you're a filmmaker. 24fp= s full screen is > default. > > "What, I get 320x240 at 12fps, isn't that= going backwards?") > > vi. graphic designers understood the web, used Fla= sh, became web > > artists. got their first, flash became a de facto stand= ard. > > vii. imagine if the film makers arrived first. > > > > now i'll= just duck and hide for a while. I said this to a room full > of > > web = artists in Ghent one night and the film makers nodded and > talked to > >= me, the others wanted to thrown me in the canal over the road. > > > > c= heers > > Adrian Miles > > ..............................................= ................... > > hypertext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian > = > interactive networked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog > > research bl= og || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > A= DVERTISEMENT > <81804_0804_c_300250a.gif> > <l.gif> > > Yahoo! Groups Links= > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/videoblogging/ > =A0 > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send a= n email to: > videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > =A0 > =95 Your= use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > --Apple-Mail-1--740819139 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I've had WMV 9 on my mac for a while now. As much as I dislike it, it has a= lways worked for any WMV from the web I get including all vidblogs to date.= I don't know what further plug-in the browser is requesting of you. But = for my posts on 8/24 and 8/26 I embedded them using the MIME video/mp4 ins= tead of my normal video/quicktime. You're the first person reporting prob= lems with that, but it may be the cause nonetheless. Unfortunately, I've = never been able to view your flash videos. I have the latest flash plugin r= unning in Safari, but nothing happens when I clik on the controls. I just s= ee the still frame. The flash videos that the Dane produces, however, I h= ave no trouble watching. Chris On Aug 26, 2004, at 3:02 AM, Deirdre = Straughan, class of 81 wrote: <excerpt><fixed>Being neither a filmmaker n= or a web designer, I will thank you for the</fixed> <fixed> valuable info,= rather than throwing you about. ; )</fixed> <fixed> This format "war" is= a major pain. I posted WMV to my blog yesterday,</fixed> <fixed> and at l= east two people on Macs (Charlene and Mica) can't view it. I</fixed> <fixe= d> think Jay was able to, by downloading the Microsoft player, though I'm</= fixed> <fixed> not 100% sure. Anyone else?</fixed> <fixed> I'm not findi= ng QT entirely well behaved, at least in some</fixed> <fixed> implementati= ons. I was never able to see all of Chris' latest Human</fixed> <fixed> Do= g post. In Firefox, it kept asking me to download a plug-in, which</fixed> = <fixed> turned out to be QT which is already installed. I reinstalled it</= fixed> <fixed> twice, but kept getting that plug-in message. Then I tried = IE, but</fixed> <fixed> could only get about 30 seconds into the movie bef= ore it would simply</fixed> <fixed> stall. I'll try again today and see if= that was just some sort of</fixed> <fixed> server choke.</fixed> <fixed= > So far I'm seeing fewer problems with people viewing the SWF on my</fixed= > <fixed> site, though that may be wishful thinking - I haven't had a lot = of</fixed> <fixed> comments from you guys on my videos, one way or the oth= er. One</fixed> <fixed> downside of SWF seems to be that it's not eligible= (probably because</fixed> <fixed> not usable) for your vogroll, and may n= ot be re-voggable, so I feel</fixed> <fixed> like I'm missing out on being= part of the community!</fixed> <fixed> Then there's the installed base q= uestion. Video is doubtless a lot</fixed> <fixed> easier on the Mac, but I= 've been professionally involved in Windows</fixed> <fixed> consumer softw= are for many years, so I'm stuck with Windows, as is,</fixed> <fixed> what= , 95% of the world? So I'm trying to approach this from a</fixed> <fixed> = Windows-minimalist POV - what would a low-end Windows consumer have,</fixed= > <fixed> or be able to get cheaply, and feel comfortable with?</fixed> = <fixed> NB: Part of the reason I'm using Flash at all is that I need to put= </fixed> <fixed> video on a corporate website and therefore needed to lear= n the best</fixed> <fixed> way to do that. This is a different set of prob= lems, where ease of</fixed> <fixed> production is far less important (they= pay me to do it) than ease of</fixed> <fixed> viewing.</fixed> <fixed>= best regards,</fixed> <fixed> Deirdr=E9 Straughan</fixed> <fixed><color= ><param>0000,0000,EEEE</param>http://www.straughan.com</color></fixed&gt; <= fixed> > that's a very good question. i will write something about why i us= e qt </fixed> <fixed> > and to start the argument:</fixed> <fixed> > </fi= xed> <fixed> > 1. most of what you can script in flash you can script in Q= T</fixed> <fixed> > 2. this is the world's best kept secret</fixed> <fixe= d> > 3. it is no harder than scripting flash, just different</fixed> <fixe= d> > 4. qt *is* the architecture for time based media</fixed> <fixed> > 5.= flash *is* the architecture for animation that now wants to be time </fixe= d> <fixed> > based media</fixed> <fixed> > 6. flash is still quite 'thick= ' when it comes to the level of </fixed> <fixed> > granularity it supports= for video (though i may have that arse about)</fixed> <fixed> > 7. flash = has fantastic installed userbase which makes it hegemonically</fixed> <fix= ed> > better</fixed> <fixed> > 8. qt 6 fully reads flash 5 (and the best w= ork in qt uses flash)</fixed> <fixed> > 9. how did flash get here?</fixed>= <fixed> > i. because graphic designers took to the web.</fixed> <fixed> = > ii. graphic designers can draw (we can't, were film makers, thre's a </fi= xed> <fixed> > difference).</fixed> <fixed> > iii. flash let graphic desi= gners become proto-film makers</fixed> <fixed> > iv. (think aboiut it, you= 're a graphic designer, nothing moves. now </fixed> <fixed> > you're an in= teractive artist/author/designer, the difference is </fixed> <fixed> > sta= ggering.)</fixed> <fixed> > v. (think about it. you're a designer. frames = per second doesnt' exist. </fixed> <fixed> > you now have 12fps. you're a = filmmaker. 24fps full screen is default. </fixed> <fixed> > "What, I get 3= 20x240 at 12fps, isn't that going backwards?")</fixed> <fixed> > vi. graph= ic designers understood the web, used Flash, became web </fixed> <fixed> >= artists. got their first, flash became a de facto standard.</fixed> <fixe= d> > vii. imagine if the film makers arrived first.</fixed> <fixed> > </fi= xed> <fixed> > now i'll just duck and hide for a while. I said this to a r= oom full of </fixed> <fixed> > web artists in Ghent one night and the film= makers nodded and talked to </fixed> <fixed> > me, the others wanted to t= hrown me in the canal over the road.</fixed> <fixed> > </fixed> <fixed> >= cheers</fixed> <fixed> > Adrian Miles</fixed> <fixed> > ................= .................................................</fixed> <fixed> > hypert= ext.rmit || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/adrian</fixed> <fixed> > interactive net= worked video || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog</fixed> <fixed> > research blog = || hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog/</fixed> <bold><color><param>000= 0,3333,9999</param><smaller>Yahoo! Groups Sponsor</smaller></color></bold> = <fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>ADVERTISEMENT</x-= tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt> <<81804_0804_c_3002= 50a.gif> <<l.gif> <bold><smaller>Yahoo! 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