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Re: [videoblogging] Re: VIDEO COMMENTS

By Lisa Harper | Lisa Harper <lisah2u@...> | lisah2u
September 2, 2004 | Post #1066 | Topic #950

--0-1610214178-1094126625=:10552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Andreas, You're reading my mind about the pingbacks! So why don't you use a blog like WordPress and just write plugin to get the functionality you want? WordPress supports pingbacks/trackbacks and most other generic things you might want. (On the other hand, I think it's great that you came up with your own blog software since that's definitely the way to learn the real ins and outs of building this kind of technology.) What I can imagine is that the post you see in chronological view to be your consolidated movie. But if you click on the post to see it in page (detailed) view, you see a textual (list) breakdown of post / comment title, author, clip duration and a link to each comment --- with an inline image (frame) from each video adjacent the textual description. The image would be hyperlinked to the video post/comment. I like the idea of viewing the post + comments in a cosolidated, streaming way -- but also like the idea of visualizing the structure of the conversation so that I can access particular points relatively easily. Lisa Andreas Haugstrup <videoblog@...> wrote: On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:46:51 -0400, Steve Garfield wrote: > Great job on that! Thanks. :o) > You know how after you develop something and show it to the users, they > see it and say, "Hey, that's great, but now that I see it, I want this > and that?" Yeah, I knew something like this would come. > I really like the ability to watch the individual clips from this page: > > http://www.hum.aau.dk/~ahpe01/video-comments/confession-movies/ Yes! But if you want people to be able to view each comment fragmented like that I wouldn't use this system in the first place. A system like this only makes sense if there is a reason that all clips are played continuously - if you're making a collective work (opposed to a handful of individual works linked together). If you're not making one collective work then I would use a hypertext/media system like I proposed in my first blog post on video comments: I would feel pretty stupid programming my own way of collecting/sending comments when the technology has already been created. :o) Pingbacks is the way to go in this regard. With pingbacks it's possible to link one ressource to another (like marking one video as related to another video). Then it is trivial to connect to a server and ask for a list of related ressources. It works just like trackbacks on your weblog, only pingbacks works with all kinds of ressources, not just html pages. I can write a quick test if you'd like. > A page of comment video links like that with the addition of people's > names and websites beside them would be cool for a number of reasons: > > 1. You don't have to watch the first video again You can skip to the different parts of quicktime movie if you'd like. :o) > 2. When you come back to look for new comments, you can just view those > that are new to you. Good point. But still, if the video is not one collective work to begin with I wouldn't even display anything together. I would scrap the system I made and rely on trackbacks/pingbacks. I did mention that I'm not a fan of the system I made in the first place, right? :o) I see a use for it as a way of making artistic works and maybe the deaf community can use it for something, but other than that I'm much in favour on relying on a hypertext/media structure (where people create their own way through the 'comments'). > 3. Saves bandwidth of having to download the original video and all the > comments every time. You bet, another reason a trackback/pingback solution would rock. I'll say it again: If you're not making one collective work I wouldn't use this system at all. :o) What I will do is to make a new version. The current one is after all just a proof that something like that can be made. The next version should have some new features: - Ability to link to a video instead of being forced to upload (this would save the original poster a lot of storage). - Some way for people to know if there has been added a comment (most likely just a small image saying '3 comments recorded' or similar). - *Maybe* a script everyone can use hosted on videoblogging.info (will only host the SMIL files, *not* any videos. And only if Peter is okay with it. He's hosting the domain after all. I haven't asked him yet). The last point requires a bit more work so I'm keeping it as a maybe. What I'd rather make is something that collects and maps '(video/text/photo)conversations' via trackbacks/pingbacks. We'll see how it turns out. Once I have the new version done I will share the source so that anyone who feels like it can expand system. - Andreas -- Personal: File Thingie - PHP File Manager Yahoo! Groups Links Lisa Harper --0-1610214178-1094126625=:10552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <DIV>Andreas, You're reading my mind about the pingbacks! So why don't you use a blog like WordPress and just write plugin to get the functionality you want? WordPress supports pingbacks/trackbacks and most other generic things you might want. (On the other hand, I think it's great that you came up with your own blog software since that's definitely the way to learn the real ins and outs of building this kind of technology.) </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What I can imagine is that the post you see in chronological view to be your consolidated movie. But if you click on the post to see it in page (detailed) view, you see a textual (list) breakdown of post / comment title, author, clip duration and a link to each comment --- with an inline image (frame) from each video adjacent the textual description. The image would be hyperlinked to the video post/comment. I like the idea of viewing the post + comments in a cosolidated, streaming way -- but also like the idea of visualizing the structure of the conversation so that I can access particular points relatively easily. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lisa<BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Haugstrup <videoblog@...></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:46:51 -0400, Steve Garfield <BR><STEVE@...>wrote:<BR><BR>> Great job on that!<BR><BR>Thanks. :o)<BR><BR>> You know how after you develop something and show it to the users, they<BR>> see it and say, "Hey, that's great, but now that I see it, I want this<BR>> and that?"<BR><BR>Yeah, I knew something like this would come.<BR><BR>> I really like the ability to watch the individual clips from this page:<BR>><BR>> http://www.hum.aau.dk/~ahpe01/video-comments/confession-movies/<BR><BR>Yes! But if you want people to be able to view each comment fragmented <BR>like that I wouldn't use this system in the first place. A system like <BR>this only makes sense if there is a reason that all clips are played <BR>continuously - if you're making a collective work (opposed to a handful of <BR>individual works linked together).<BR><BR>If you're not making one collective work then I would use a <BR>hypertext/media system like I proposed in my first blog post on video <BR>comments: <HTTP: 2004_08.php#t20040828-23:11 archives http://www.solitude.dk><BR><BR>I would feel pretty stupid programming my own way of collecting/sending <BR>comments when the technology has already been created. :o)<BR>Pingbacks is the way to go in this regard. With pingbacks it's possible to <BR>link one ressource to another (like marking one video as related to <BR>another video). Then it is trivial to connect to a server and ask for a <BR>list of related ressources.<BR><BR>It works just like trackbacks on your weblog, only pingbacks works with <BR>all kinds of ressources, not just html pages. I can write a quick test if <BR>you'd like.<BR><BR>> A page of comment video links like that with the addition of people's<BR>> names and websites beside them would be cool for a number of reasons:<BR>><BR>> 1. You don't have to watch the first video again<BR><BR>You can skip to the different parts of quicktime movie if you'd like. :o)<BR><BR>> 2. When you come back to look for new comments, you can just view those<BR>> that are new to you.<BR><BR>Good point. But still, if the video is not one collective work to begin <BR>with I wouldn't even display anything together. I would scrap the system I <BR>made and rely on trackbacks/pingbacks. I did mention that I'm not a fan of <BR>the system I made in the first place, right? :o)<BR><BR>I see a use for it as a way of making artistic works and maybe the deaf <BR>community can use it for something, but other than that I'm much in favour <BR>on relying on a hypertext/media structure (where people create their own <BR>way through the 'comments').<BR><BR>> 3. Saves bandwidth of having to download the original video and all the<BR>> comments every time.<BR><BR>You bet, another reason a trackback/pingback solution would rock. I'll say <BR>it again: If you're not making one collective work I wouldn't use this <BR>system at all. :o)<BR><BR>What I will do is to make a new version. The current one is after all just <BR>a proof that something like that can be made. The next version should have <BR>some new features:<BR><BR>- Ability to link to a video instead of being forced to upload (this <BR>would save the original poster a lot of storage).<BR>- Some way for people to know if there has been added a comment (most <BR>likely just a small image saying '3 comments recorded' or similar).<BR>- *Maybe* a script everyone can use hosted on videoblogging.info (will <BR>only host the SMIL files, *not* any videos. And only if Peter is okay with <BR>it. He's hosting the domain after all. I haven't asked him yet).<BR><BR>The last point requires a bit more work so I'm keeping it as a maybe. What <BR>I'd rather make is something that collects and maps <BR>'(video/text/photo)conversations' via trackbacks/pingbacks. We'll see how <BR>it turns out. Once I have the new version done I will share the source so <BR>that anyone who feels like it can expand system.<BR><BR>- Andreas<BR>-- <BR>Personal: <HTTP: http://www.solitude.dk><BR>File Thingie - PHP File Manager <HTTP: http://www.solitude.dk filethingie /><BR><BR><BR>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> <BR>$9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything.<BR>http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------~-&gt; <BR><BR><BR>Yahoo! Groups Links<BR><BR><*> To visit your group on the web, go to:<BR>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/<BR><BR><*&gt; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:<BR>videoblogging-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<BR><BR><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:<BR>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><A href="http://www.lisaharper.org">Lisa Harper</a> --0-1610214178-1094126625=:10552--