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Re: [videoblogging] Taking my videos down (Freeplay Music discussion)

By Pat Cook (Jeeper One TV) | "Pat Cook (Jeeper One TV)" <kpdcnettv@...> | kpdcnettv
August 5, 2005 | Post #19064 | Topic #19008

--=====================_279301173==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi everyone: At 10:05 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >From: Stephanie Bryant <mortaine@...> >Date: Thu Aug 4, 2005 9:50 am >Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Freeplay Music: Warning > >Erin, this whole discussion has really helped me, actually. I am not a >Freeplay Music user. If I were, at this point I would consider such a >letter to be a Cease & Desist order, take down the offending music, >and let them take me to court if they really needed the $200. That's my opinion as well Steph. Besides, you can't get into trouble (at least with FPM) over something that's no longer linked to your site, though the IA may have a few choice words. But even then, they would just assume avoid litigation themselves simply by removing the offending the files and send you an email reminding you of *their* TOS (if they don't ban you outright). Erin wrote.... >Hey all, > >I hate to be keeping this discussion lingering around but wanted to >let everyone know what's going on. In regards to what Stephanie wrote, >and what others have said on and off list to me.. I've started to >wonder if maybe I am being too apologetic about this whole thing. >(Truth is, I've always been that way, and am quick to take blame and >apologize for things in order to keep peace and avoid confrontation). You're not being overly apologetic. In fact, if anyone needs to apologize, it's me for seeming to be complacent (sp?). >Anyway, after talking extensively with my husband about this.. we have >decided not to pay the entire amount to Freeplay Music. To be fair, I >am going to offer to pay for the music as if it were pro-rated for a >year. This afternoon, I will be taking down all my videos containing >complete selections of Freeplay Music (6 in total). They will still >be on the archive, but I will be requesting they be removed from there >as well. Anyone know who best to contact at IA to do this? Could IA >get in trouble as well for continuing to host them? I would hate for >that to happen. I'm seriously considering not even linking to the podcasts I've done so far using their music (which is just about every single one of them), but leaving the posts up as they go into what was covered on each show. >I keep wrestling with myself as to if I am doing the right thing or >not... but I have heard from more people who are of the opinion that I >should not pay. I would gladly pay the money if 1)they didn't make it >so easy for people to make a mistake. You don't even have to read the >terms in order to download the music. Even when you do read the terms, >anyone could make the mistake of reading "Private Non-Commercial Use >(Non-revenue generating or associated)" and stop there, thinking they >were safe. In my opinion, a much better way of making sure people >weren't abusing this is to have someone register on the site and have >them actually check a box that says they "agree" to terms. 2)The name, >in and of itself, is misleading. For most ways this music is used, it >isn't free at all. You see the name "Freeplay Music" and can >immediately start downloading. Not a great idea if you ask me. I ranted on this on my podcast earlier today (which BTW will NOT have the open & close I normally attach to each show) and an idea hit me that if they were to charge a ONE-TIME flat fee $5 (or whatever the minilum value of a Money Order is nowadays) per track download REGARDLESS OF USE, they'd make a fuckin' mint. I mean, think of it this way, how many times do you have to pay for a gallon of milk at the grocery store before they actually consider it yours to leave with? Answer - ONCE - At the checkout counter. When is the next time you pay for milk? Answer - WHEN YOU GET ANOTHER GALLON. I've NEVER seen ANY business charge me for something more than once. >Anyway, not that anyone will probably care... but a lot of my most >recent videos will exist no more. I will probably try and fix them and >eventually re-vlog them, but I'd rather be focused on posting some new >content for now. Same with my podcast. I can't replace those, but I'll certainly break the links to all the affected podcasts. The others however will remain. Additionally, you may have noticed that I also write a text-based Internet Soap Opera (I included that when signing with my "All Blogs" signature even though its not really a blog). Recently, I started a collection of various theme music (which can be accessed via the show's message board) for the "open" and "close" of the show plus other various occasions as they occur. Well, as a result of your experience with FPM Erin, the first thing I did was to restrict access to that section to me and me only (as well as the board's host should FPM somehow contact them). This way I don't have to rebuild it. I can just simply change the links. I will however remove the files as well from my Comcast storage space though as then this way even if Admin access is bypassed somehow, the links will be broken as no file will be found. But that's NOTHING compared to what I face with my podcast. :-( >If someone from IA can get in touch with me off list... I can give you >the list of videos I need to have removed. Sorry if this is a hassle. >I just don't want anyone else to get in trouble. I don't think anyone from the IA is on the list. You'll have to post to the forums over there I believe (I hope you know a little something about PR 'cause you're gonna need it. I will too in fact). :-( Cheers for now :-) Pat Cook Denver, Colorado AS PAT'S WORLD TURNS - http://aspatsworldturns.blogspot.com/ PAT'S REAL DEAL BLOG - http://patsrealdeal.blogspot.com/ PAT'S PODCAST - http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/ PAT'S VIDEO BLOG - http://patsvideoblog.blogspot.com/ DUMBASS IDIOTS VIDEO BLOG - http://dumbassidiots.blogspot.com/ AGAINST THE STORM (Online Soap Opera) - http://againstthestorm.blogspot.com/ RSS Feeds Available On Each Page --=====================_279301173==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> Hi everyone:<br><br> At 10:05 AM 8/5/2005, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><tt>From: Stephanie Bryant <mortaine@...><br> Date: Thu Aug 4, 2005 9:50 am<br> Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Freeplay Music: Warning      <br><br> Erin, this whole discussion has really helped me, actually. I am not a<br> Freeplay Music user. If I were, at this point I would consider such a<br> letter to be a Cease & Desist order, take down the offending music,<br> and let them take me to court if they really needed the $200.</tt></blockquote><br> That's my opinion as well Steph.  Besides, you can't get into trouble (at least with FPM) over something that's no longer linked to your site, though the IA may have a few choice words.  But even then, they would just assume avoid litigation themselves simply by removing the offending the files and send you an email reminding you of *their* TOS (if they don't ban you outright). <br><br> <tt>Erin wrote....<br><br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hey all,<br><br> I hate to be keeping this discussion lingering around but wanted to<br> let everyone know what's going on. In regards to what Stephanie wrote,<br> and what others have said on and off list to me.. I've started to<br> wonder if maybe I am being too apologetic about this whole thing.<br> (Truth is, I've always been that way, and am quick to take blame and<br> apologize for things in order to keep peace and avoid confrontation).</tt></blockquote><br> You're not being overly apologetic.  In fact, if anyone needs to apologize, it's me for seeming to be complacent (sp?).<br><br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><tt>Anyway, after talking extensively with my husband about this.. we have<br> decided not to pay the entire amount to Freeplay Music. To be fair, I<br> am going to offer to pay for the music as if it were pro-rated for a<br> year. This afternoon, I will be taking down all my videos containing<br> complete selections of Freeplay Music (6 in total). They will still<br> be on the archive, but I will be requesting they be removed from there<br> as well. Anyone know who best to contact at IA to do this? Could IA<br> get in trouble as well for continuing to host them? I would hate for<br> that to happen.</tt></blockquote><br> I'm seriously considering not even linking to the podcasts I've done so far using their music (which is just about every single one of them), but leaving the posts up as they go into what was covered on each show.<br><br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><tt>I keep wrestling with myself as to if I am doing the right thing or<br> not... but I have heard from more people who are of the opinion that I<br> should not pay. I would gladly pay the money if 1)they didn't make it<br> so easy for people to make a mistake. You don't even have to read the<br> terms in order to download the music. Even when you do read the terms,<br> anyone could make the mistake of reading "Private Non-Commercial Use<br> (Non-revenue generating or associated)" and stop there, thinking they<br> were safe. In my opinion, a much better way of making sure people<br> weren't abusing this is to have someone register on the site and have<br> them actually check a box that says they "agree" to terms. 2)The name,<br> in and of itself, is misleading. For most ways this music is used, it<br> isn't free at all. You see the name "Freeplay Music" and can<br> immediately start downloading. Not a great idea if you ask me.</tt></blockquote><br> I ranted on this on my podcast earlier today (which BTW will NOT have the open & close I normally attach to each show) and an idea hit me that if they were to charge a ONE-TIME flat fee $5 (or whatever the minilum value of a Money Order is nowadays) per track download REGARDLESS OF USE, they'd make a fuckin' mint.<br><br> I mean, think of it this way, how many times do you have to pay for a gallon of milk at the grocery store before they actually consider it yours to leave with?  Answer - ONCE - At the checkout counter.  When is the next time you pay for milk?  Answer - WHEN YOU GET ANOTHER GALLON.  I've NEVER seen ANY business charge me for something more than once.<br><br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><tt>Anyway, not that anyone will probably care... but a lot of my most<br> recent videos will exist no more. I will probably try and fix them and<br> eventually re-vlog them, but I'd rather be focused on posting some new<br> content for now.</tt></blockquote><br> Same with my podcast.  I can't replace those, but I'll certainly break the links to all the affected podcasts.  The others however will remain.<br><br> Additionally, you may have noticed that I also write a text-based Internet Soap Opera (I included that when signing with my "All Blogs" signature even though its not really a blog).  Recently, I started a collection of various theme music (which can be accessed via the show's message board) for the "open" and "close" of the show plus other various occasions as they occur.  Well, as a result of your experience with FPM Erin, the first thing I did was to restrict access to that section to me and me only (as well as the board's host should FPM somehow contact them).  This way I don't have to rebuild it.  I can just simply change the links.  I will however remove the files as well from my Comcast storage space though as then this way even if Admin access is bypassed somehow, the links will be broken as no file will be found.<br><br> But that's NOTHING compared to what I face with my podcast.  :-(<br><br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><tt>If someone from IA can get in touch with me off list... I can give you<br> the list of videos I need to have removed. Sorry if this is a hassle.<br> I just don't want anyone else to get in trouble. </tt></blockquote><br> I don't think anyone from the IA is on the list.  You'll have to post to the forums over there I believe (I hope you know a little something about PR 'cause you're gonna need it.  I will too in fact).  :-(<br><br> Cheers for now  :-)<br><br> Pat Cook<br> Denver, Colorado<br> AS PAT'S WORLD TURNS - <a href="http://aspatsworldturns.blogspot.com/&quot; eudora="autourl"> http://aspatsworldturns.blogspot.com/<br&gt; </a>PAT'S REAL DEAL BLOG - <a href="http://patsrealdeal.blogspot.com/&quot; eudora="autourl"> http://patsrealdeal.blogspot.com/<br&gt; </a>PAT'S PODCAST - <a href="http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/&quot; eudora="autourl"> http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/<br&gt; </a>PAT'S VIDEO BLOG - <a href="http://patsvideoblog.blogspot.com/&quot; eudora="autourl"> http://patsvideoblog.blogspot.com/<br&gt; </a>DUMBASS IDIOTS VIDEO BLOG - <a href="http://dumbassidiots.blogspot.com/&quot; eudora="autourl"> http://dumbassidiots.blogspot.com/<br&gt; </a>AGAINST THE STORM (Online Soap Opera) - <a href="http://againstthestorm.blogspot.com/&quot; eudora="autourl"> http://againstthestorm.blogspot.com/<br&gt; </a>RSS Feeds Available On Each Page</body> </html> --=====================_279301173==.ALT--