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Re: [videoblogging] Torrents/rss enclosures (was re: vlogging script)

By Lucas Gonze | Lucas Gonze <lgonze@...> | lucas_gonze
August 3, 2004 | Post #529 | Topic #514

On Tue, 3 Aug 2004, Eric Rice wrote: > The notion of RSS enclosures scare me and confuse me all in the same capacity. I mean, it > really does *sound* good, but I think it can be potentially abused. The other thing is I can't > find anything practical to GET enclosures. BitTorrent has promise, but as a tech tool, like > p2p. Kids and Nerds (that pretty much sums up 'tech' today). I can't begin to fathom how > to explain the torrent notion to the world at large. I'm still workin on getting them to > understand blogging. > > Are these (enclosures/torrents) just slated to be transparent technologies that will never > be visible to the general public and absorbed IN to some bigger product? For now enclosures really only exist for Radio Userland users, so there isn't really an answer to that, but my guess is that it would be invisible to the general public. There's a very small number of people interested in what, if anything, we should do about enclosures. I disabled enclosures (temporarily? don't know) in webjay feeds because of the bandwidth abuse. > I'm finding that I want to deal less and less with figuring these things out. Maybe I'm > getting old and tired (haha), but I don't want to hassle with 'em. I can get them other ways > and deal with the slight inconveniences. it's okay. Really. There's a huge amount of figuring out to do before we get this web a/v stuff in decent shape. Prepare to be seriously inconvenienced, eric. :) -Lucas > > Just some thoughts. > > E > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lucas Gonze <lgonze@p...> wrote: >> >> A comment on RSS, videoblogging and BitTorrent: if you're using RSS >> enclosures, you really really want to be serving BitTorrents. If you're >> not serving BitTorrents, you probably don't want to be using RSS >> enclosures. >> >> - Lucas >> >> On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 antipast0@y... wrote: >> >>> Well, its a combo of both... >>> >>> BT makes a .torrent file... this is sort of a treasure map that can >>> be widely distributed. That .torrent file contains information like >>> a) where can I find out who has this file right now? c) how many >>> files are there? d) what are the files called? >>> >>> etc... >>> >>> So, yes, you would have the file on your local machine, and then >>> you'd publish your .torrent file on your blog. >>> >>> There are already TONS of people that distribute .torrent files via >>> RSS, so blogging with this sort of file would actually be somewhat of >>> an emerging standard. >>> >>> So, you have it on your local machine, and then everyone out in the >>> world gets the .torrent file... Their computers then start to request >>> the file from your machine. >>> >>> Once you have uploaded to atleast 1 or 2 other people, the >>> distribution of the file is then exponentially increased as then >>> those two people probably upload to 1 or 2 each, and so on. >>> >>> So, it would probably only be practical for those with broadband >>> connections simply because they're always on, but you could very well >>> do this dialup. >>> >>> The big concern is that if video blogs get big, you want to maximize >>> your exposure (BT certainly does that), but you don't want to tax >>> your hosting company (especially with the added bandwidth of people >>> downloading!)... The more popular your video blog, the faster >>> downloads will be and less bandwidth will be required on your part... >>> think of it like how a jet engine works... The more people transfer >>> your content, the better the ability for others to get it. >>> >>> BT is the pinnacle of a lot of P2P technology because it can be >>> applied to special needs such as this. >>> >>> >>> First idea would be the process I talked about: >>> >>> 1) create video >>> 2) create .torrent >>> 3) publish .torrent on blog >>> 4) "seed" file to requesting it from your machine >>> 5) when there are a few seeds, quit. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> But with RSS and blogging (as social networking software), this could >>> lead to futher automation like what you guys are talking about... >>> Like the following: >>> >>> 1) aggregate select video blogs into a single RSS feed >>> 2) activate and download all .torrent files >>> 3) use feed to combine the video in order >>> >>> If you all standardized with how you were doing this... say... naming >>> all files a certain way, and in a certain folder... You could have an >>> automated video distribution method of all video bloggers, and it >>> could very well automatically combine video (so long as you >>> standardized on a type, or at the least, a playlist format)... >>> >>> There are a lot of possibilities, but ultimately, the community needs >>> to: >>> >>> a) keep video blogging, and keep evangelizing ... !!! >>> b) find programmers, or learn! heheh... I recommend c#, but >>> bittorrent is written in Python... both are emerging and modern cross- >>> platform languages (c#, thanks to the mono project on linux/mac) >>> >>> c) document the methods you guys are using now >>> d) think up programs, standards, ideas >>> >>> ... this would be like "hey... if we all used Quicktime, and always >>> named our files with like "20040513.mov" then we can make a playlist >>> of everyone's videoblogs for real-time streaming based on their rss >>> feeds!!! >>> >>> There's a lot of room for documenting and dreaming up this stuff. >>> >>> I guess most video bloggers on are on the mac? That would make sense >>> as a mac rocks for easy video.... Programming that seemlessly like >>> how Apple does is something that can be hard to obtain for some hobby >>> programmers. >>> >>> Anyway.... thanks for listening to me rant. I believe that video >>> blogging is absolutely revolutionary... and the possibility of >>> having "video feeds" of friends, relatives, pundits, experts.... WOW. >>> >>> Keep it up, >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >